Why are you still arguing against a point I never made? Easy to win an argument if you decide what your opponent's position is! hahahah Your "point" that set this all off was you claiming Mattias "hinted" there would no longer be paid upgrades. That turned out to be false. My point was that he hint...

rcbuse wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021

Things did not go over as planned...

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LOLOL

EnochLight wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021

stp2015 wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021

Are you kidding me or yourself?

Don't you have an "upgrade" to buy?

Why are you still arguing against a point I never made? Easy to win an argument if you decide what your opponents position is! hahahah

MrFigg wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021

12 (or whatever) then stop for me. All good.

Same.

EnochLight wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021

Also, just because R+ subscribers get all RS RE's doesn't devalue the RE's that third party devs offer [...]

Are you kidding me or yourself?

Old/current users can still upgrade to new versions, just like always, and purchase RE's separately. This is exactly the same as always. New users can still buy Reason standalone perpetual license, just like always. So it is true. Of course there are changes now that there is a new service being of...

Maybe this is a premature assessment, but to me this sounds like the final nail in the coffin for us 3rd party RE developers. The link to the RS shop is now hidden away in the footer on the front page, so it might as well not exist as far as RS customers are concerned, especially the newcomers. Tha...

The 'headline' from RS and some forum users is 'nothing has changed, just more options added' - this is not true - some things have clearly changed. Old/current users can still upgrade to new versions, just like always, and purchase RE's separately. This is exactly the same as always. New users can...

hfw wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2021

You knew it would stir commotion, then the live webcast “oh you guys found us out, we better do a live stream!”, like the head guys didn’t have to block out that time in there Callander. Just shit patter in general.

Agree

Good thing about a subscription model is that it gets incentives right. People will just unsubscribe if they get disappointed, so Props will have some extra motivation to keep them addicted. The price seems hight to me, though. I will probably buy the high-res upgrade coming later this year (which w...

EnochLight wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021

If there's anything we can agree on, it's that there will be something new announced tomorrow that will certainly be sold at a cost to the user. I still don't think paid upgrades are going away, though.

Definitely agree with this smallest common denominator

why do so many people seem to assume there’s some sort of tutorial subscription coming here? most people don’t care much for the tutorial window (and have said so), and I don’t recall RS making much of a big deal about it in the first place. they barely mentioned it, AFAIR, and it would be hella we...

Aosta wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2021

Well, I will be leaving the announcement stream if it's
A subscription service
A tutorial service
Integrated video
Online music collaboration
Allihoopa v2
A free yellow mug with the next upgrade.

If it is an orange mug, I will stay on. Otherwise agree.

The FL Studio free-updates-for-life model is great if you want the developers to have to focus even more on flashy but redundant plugins to continually target more and more new users with. If you're tired of Reason Studios putting out rack extensions you don't care about, the FL Studio model would ...

Oh there's no doubt that strategies changed since the new CEO took over. But I will absolutely guarantee you that they will not exit the business of selling software anytime soon, whether it's through upgrades or other means. ;) I know that you know a lot about RS and Reason, but your personal guar...

Interpretation of the statement is certainly up for debate. Only if you feel that selling software is no longer a viable business for Reason Studios. ;) I am trying to interpret his statement, not to project my opinion on it. ;) Btw, talking about upgrades, not software per sé. If charging for upgr...

That said, when I read that - I do not see them stating upgrades will be free. Not even hinting at it. He's using a hypothetical situation (which is arguably a poor example) to express that he can't confirm/deny that there will be a paid update to a version 12. Interpretation of the statement is ce...

I really hopes it's some kind of virtual musician. You know, like an imaginary friend. So you get a starter pack of say a Hendrix, John Bonham and Kate Bush. With a free Jean Michel Jarre for users that have three or more updates under their belt. An imaginary friend would be nice. The pandemic has...

he also suggested somewhere here in the forums that there may not be a v12 at all, at least not in the traditional Reason [major version #]. that could have just meant a change to the naming convention, but maybe we’ll find out tomorrow. Yes, that is the post I copied to my answer above, which I in...

I cannot do anything about your own perception of what feels to me like a condescending tone. Condescension is when someone has actual disdain or superiority over someone else. I don't feel that way about you. You're just being asked to show proof of an extraordinary claim. If you feel condescensio...

yeah, pretty sure Mattias never said anything that could be taken to mean upgrades would be free. there would have been WAY more hubbub over even the suggestion. my guess is the reference is to when he said they weren’t certain there would be a Reason 12, specifically. Your tone seems nicer to me :...

Was trying to find it. I looked at his user profile to see all of his past posts, but seems I cannot show all posts of a given user. Finding the thread is difficult, but I will now spend half an hour just to prove you wrong because I don't like your tone that much.. Tone? It's the Internet. There i...

Then post proof. Where's the link? I'll be happy to concede if there is actual proof instead of "I saw it". :D :D Was trying to find it. I looked at his user profile to see all of his past posts, but seems I cannot show all posts of a given user. Finding the thread is difficult, but I will now spen...

he has also hinted that upgrades may no longer cost money. I have never, EVER, seen this hinted at anywhere. The day upgrades no longer cost money will be the day that Reason Studios adopts Cockos' approach with Reaper, which will be never . :lol: That does not mean he has not hinted at it. It just...

I have a little bit of hope. Mathias has at some point hinted that there may never be a "Reason 12", and he has also hinted that upgrades may no longer cost money. Maybe Reason+ is the switch to this strategy, and maybe it will come as part of what would otherwise look like a full version upgrade. H...