Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
First I will make this disclaimer: No one is totally correct but some are more than others. Lets look at the evidence. There is none that goes back far enough to suggest the climate is doing what it has not done before in times past.
What difference does it make? If it changes in such a way as the planet is no longer habitable for humans, the result is the same: death of humans. Whether the changes that caused that to happen were of our own creation or due to a natural, cyclical process, makes no difference in terms of the outcome. At least if we know we are doing something that is contributing to it, then we have the opportunity to do something about it. From that point of view, I would prefer it if global warming *was* human-influenced. Because if it isn't, we might all be fucked with no way of doing anything about it.
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
However; we are to be good Stewarts of our planet. I bet all of us have littered at some point. If not; then we all have purchased products that remained (plastic bottles anyone). The problem is not the climate but it is you and I. Fix you and the problem will fix it self.
Wait, so now you are assuming that the problem *is* human behaviour, and if we stop damaging our environment it will all be ok? Weren't you just saying that we don't know and that the climate might be following a normal cycle? Which is it?
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
Actually you cannot fix you,
This is rather a pessimistic view. If you think people are not able to enact change even within themselves, what hope is there?
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
if you believe you can fix you. There must be a higher person to fix you
Why must there be? Why do you believe it is impossible for a person to change themselves and their lives for the better without external intervention? I had a total breakdown a couple of years ago. I lost everything - my relationship, my home, my business, and it nearly ended me. I had help from family, but I clawed my way back and rebuilt my life. Now I am truly happy and fulfilled for the first time ever in my life. I had no "higher person" intervening. I did it myself, through effort, willpower, determination, and obstinacy. To suggest that anybody is incapable of making those kinds of changes without a "higher person" to help is offensive to the efforts of human beings who have achieved great things through their own efforts. This is typical of a religious viewpoint. When terrible things happen, it's on us - we have displeased sky daddy, so we have to endure earthquakes and disease and brain tumour in babies. But then when something wonderful happens due to the efforts of a human being, it's all, "how wonderful is god's work through this person. We are nothing without his mighty power". Fuck off. I have achieved what I have because *I* put in the hard work and effort to accomplish it. And anybody else can do the same thing. Every single person is capable of making the hard decisions that are required to enact change on our damaged climate. The problem is that most people don't want to, because it would be too inconvenient. It's not because they are lacking the presence of a "higher person" to guide them. It's because they don't want to be the ones to make the necessary compromises. They lack the will power within themselves to just fucking do it. You can pray for revelation and spiritual enlightenment and divine intervention all you like, but that won't help you one bit when your home is now on a flood plain or because you're sad that all the polar bears are extinct.
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
So, can items made of the earth make the earth totally sick? Just on the surface people.
From the point of view of most known life-forms inhabiting Earth, its surface is the most important part. How enjoyable do you think life on Earth would be if the surface was destroyed?
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
the heart of man is the problem, and I doubt seriously you want to (not) say you are a good person at heart. The solution starts from within.
I thought it came from a higher person? Weren't you just saying that we don't have the ability to change ourselves from within and we needed a higher power? But now the solution starts from within? What point are you trying to make here? Because you just sound really confused and conflicted about everything.
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
Yes there is coming a climate change, but not in the way you may think, unless you have faith in GOD. He (as He refers to Himself as being He) which I agree; has said He will recreate the heaven and the earth, but this is not in a matter of man polluting but because of man sinning which breaks down to us being evil to one another. Therefore one simple bit of evidence for those that listen to those that say it will flood areas if the polar caps melt. In fact it cannot, due to placing ice in a glass of water when it evaporate does not overflow the glass but is less in volume.
What the fuck are you talking about? So you think that ice caps will take up less space when they have melted because water expands when it freezes, so we don't need to worry because the ice caps will shrink and the land won't flood? Is that really what you are suggesting? I can't quite believe I have just read that to be honest. It is just blatantly incorrect on so many levels, and immoral on others. First of all, what do you think is going to happen when ice thaws which was not already within the body of water? Like, you know, mountains and fucking glaciers? Those things are all above the surface of the water, not within it. It's not like an ice cube floating in a glass of water AT ALL. We are talking about enormous, mountainous bodies of frozen water, which will thaw into an avalanche. Where is all of that thawed material going to go? Well into the ocean of course. And you think that won't make the water level rise? Seriously? Your ice in a glass analogy is more like this: you've got a glass of water, full nearly to the brim, and a load of ice hanging in a net above the glass. The ice isn't displacing any water from the glass, because it isn't in contact with the water inside the glass. Over time the ice in the net will melt, and drip into the glass. It will fill the glass more, because this is water which was not previously in the glass at all. Can you not see how that will cause the glass to overflow? Further more, even if this were not true, what kind of an immoral, human-centric argument is it to say, "don't worry about melting ice caps, because human habitation won't be affected by flood water". So presumably you don't care about all of the other animals which are indigenous to those environments. Polar bears are going to drown, or starve, but fuck those guys, as long as our coastlines don't rupture under the force of all the extra water. While we're at it we may as well just cut down all the rainforests, as there aren't any humans living there so who cares, right?
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
Oh, I leave you with this. This earth one day will die, the Bible says that, but you better get ready for one own demise than worry about heat of the sun, and not heat of THE Son of GOD.
This is totally irrational. "Don't worry about the state of the planet for generations to come, only worry about yourself. As long as you're all square with god, you'll be in heaven while the planet burns along with all the generations that follow you. But fuck those guys, along with the polar bears and penguins and all the billions of life-forms indigenous to the rainforests."
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
Please do not reply, I not singling any of you opinions out,
Sorry, it doesn't work like that. You don't get to decide whether or not people reply to you. You have said things, and people can respond. That's how communication works. If you don't like it, you're free not to share those opinions. But maybe the reactions you get from people when you say this stuff should make you think again about some of these beliefs.
Lov2sing wrote: ↑27 Apr 2019
I am just sharing what is known as creation science.
"Creation science"... right, this conversation is not going to go anywhere is it.