Re: The UFO Thread
Posted: 01 Jul 2021
The narrator seems to be seeking for mystery and miracles, but some bad men burst the bubble. They must be hiding something for sure. It's a religion with no chance to prove or disprove anything. It's been over 100 years since people started fantasizing about aliens, yet no progress has ever been made. Except for vast amounts of fiction works.
I believe the narrator agrees with Neil deGrasse Tyson. See Eye Eh man is there for support and comfort, but to whom, the narrator or Neil? It's confusing, but FUD was part of his old job.orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021The narrator seems to be seeking for mystery and miracles, but some bad men burst the bubble. They must be hiding something for sure. It's a religion with no chance to prove or disprove anything. It's been over 100 years since people started fantasizing about aliens, yet no progress has ever been made. Except for vast amounts of fiction works.
People don't want the truth, they want some mystery.
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt versus Mysterium Tremendum et Fascinans (a mystery, terrifying and fascinating). Between the two I'd choose the former, because mystery is certainly a delusion. Everything must go wrongly and tediously, so nobody could get proud of themselves, so they felt sad and confused.bxbrkrz wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021I believe the narrator agrees with Neil deGrasse Tyson. See Eye Eh man is there for support and comfort, but to whom, the narrator or Neil? It's confusing, but FUD was part of his old job.orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021
The narrator seems to be seeking for mystery and miracles, but some bad men burst the bubble. They must be hiding something for sure. It's a religion with no chance to prove or disprove anything. It's been over 100 years since people started fantasizing about aliens, yet no progress has ever been made. Except for vast amounts of fiction works.
People don't want the truth, they want some mystery.
Angels are way more popular than Aliens, and for more than 100 years. Maybe you've heard of Our Lady of Kibeho? You should find videos about the girls on YT.
A miracle is what was before the Big Band. We should not question it
Manufactured mysteries and manufactured fascination are fine with me. It's fun, like producing music. Strange lights in the skies (for 1000s of years) never hurt anyone.orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt versus Mysterium Tremendum et Fascinans (a mystery, terrifying and fascinating). Between the two I'd choose the former, because mystery is certainly a delusion. Everything must go wrongly and tediously, so nobody could get proud of themselves, so they felt sad and confused.bxbrkrz wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021
I believe the narrator agrees with Neil deGrasse Tyson. See Eye Eh man is there for support and comfort, but to whom, the narrator or Neil? It's confusing, but FUD was part of his old job.
Angels are way more popular than Aliens, and for more than 100 years. Maybe you've heard of Our Lady of Kibeho? You should find videos about the girls on YT.
A miracle is what was before the Big Band. We should not question it
If someone ends up in a mental institution, because of a made up story of lights in the skies, you can't blame it on something that does not scientifically exist.
I don't blame things, I'm just speaking out against obsession with mystery or fear, or anything. If the UFO thing was the theme of a song, I must have missed the irony and overreacted.
Some day maybe.
I don't see the connection between fear and UFO. Fear, and control by fear, was around way before the strange lights in the sky. Maybe some people need fear in their lives, doesn't matter UFO, or anything else.
I didn't say UFOs cause fear, fear relates to that bomb clip. UFO is rather about thrill, fascination of meeting with the unknown. I don't mind watching movies exploiting either feeling. It just seems weird when people take those extremes for real, not just as a metaphor.
Is it weird when governments do it?orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021I didn't say UFOs cause fear, fear relates to that bomb clip. UFO is rather about thrill, fascination of meeting with the unknown. I don't mind watching movies exploiting either feeling. It just seems weird when people take those extremes for real, not just as a metaphor.
Do what? Take it seriously? No, it's not.bxbrkrz wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021Is it weird when governments do it?orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021
I didn't say UFOs cause fear, fear relates to that bomb clip. UFO is rather about thrill, fascination of meeting with the unknown. I don't mind watching movies exploiting either feeling. It just seems weird when people take those extremes for real, not just as a metaphor.
This is true for any belief a government sees as a threat, not just UFO believers.orthodox wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021Do what? Take it seriously? No, it's not.
Governments just reflect the state of mind of the people when the delusion starts to be a significant factor. Either they see it as a new political opportunity and use it, or they see it as a threat to public health and order and suppress it.
Guess governments may occasionally be right.bxbrkrz wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021This is true for any belief a government sees as a threat, not just UFO believers.orthodox wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021
Do what? Take it seriously? No, it's not.
Governments just reflect the state of mind of the people when the delusion starts to be a significant factor. Either they see it as a new political opportunity and use it, or they see it as a threat to public health and order and suppress it.
I think this is an interesting aspect of the discussion, our psychological predisposition to mystery and enchantment. Some find movies and fiction more than enough to scratch that itch, others develop a bit of an addiction to constant revelation and there are more than enough internet grifters to supply your fix.orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021I didn't say UFOs cause fear, fear relates to that bomb clip. UFO is rather about thrill, fascination of meeting with the unknown. I don't mind watching movies exploiting either feeling. It just seems weird when people take those extremes for real, not just as a metaphor.
Return to normalcyTiny Montgomery wrote: ↑03 Jul 2021I think this is an interesting aspect of the discussion, our psychological predisposition to mystery and enchantment. Some find movies and fiction more than enough to scratch that itch, others develop a bit of an addiction to constant revelation and there are more than enough internet grifters to supply your fix.orthodox wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021
I didn't say UFOs cause fear, fear relates to that bomb clip. UFO is rather about thrill, fascination of meeting with the unknown. I don't mind watching movies exploiting either feeling. It just seems weird when people take those extremes for real, not just as a metaphor.
On the other hand I see a similar but opposite predisposition in people who crave normalcy and not having their general working paradigm of "how things are" disrupted. You see this in discussion of things like JFK etc...the side people come down on seems ultimately down to their emotional make up as a human being rather than any rational assessment (which itself may actually be beyond us, way too many variables)