Props put a lot of safeguards into codemeter too for that very reason
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It could be argued that REs are not separate computer programs but rather part of a whole. Since accounts can't be sold the above quote would apply, putting them inline with EU law. Sure you could fight that, as it's all up to interpretation, but that'd be a hard legal battle to win.The Court points out, however, that if the licence acquired by the first acquirer relates to a greater
number of users than he needs, that acquirer is not authorised by the effect of the exhaustion of
the distribution right to divide the licence and resell only part of it.
Picking a few quotes from those documents...
Especially since you can't buy or use REs somewhere else than in the PH shop/ Reason...QVprod wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019That ruling easily applies to Reason, which can be resold. Not so easily to applied Rack Extensions. "Licenses" are tied to the account which can't be sold. They don't have their own individual serial numbers. According to the the law mentioned:
The Court points out, however, that if the licence acquired by the first acquirer relates to a greater
number of users than he needs, that acquirer is not authorised by the effect of the exhaustion of
the distribution right to divide the licence and resell only part of it.
It could be argued that REs are not separate computer programs but rather part of a whole. Since accounts can't be sold the above quote would apply, putting them inline with EU law. Sure you could fight that, as it's all up to interpretation, but that'd be a hard legal battle to win.
By the way, that quote refers to volume licenses if I'm not mistaken. Like you can't resell parts of your Win10 Volume License to different people, only the whole thing.QVprod wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019That ruling easily applies to Reason, which can be resold. Not so easily to applied Rack Extensions. "Licenses" are tied to the account which can't be sold. They don't have their own individual serial numbers. According to the the law mentioned:
It could be argued that REs are not separate computer programs but rather part of a whole. Since accounts can't be sold the above quote would apply, putting them inline with EU law. Sure you could fight that, as it's all up to interpretation, but that'd be a hard legal battle to win.The Court points out, however, that if the licence acquired by the first acquirer relates to a greater
number of users than he needs, that acquirer is not authorised by the effect of the exhaustion of
the distribution right to divide the licence and resell only part of it.
btw whats funny too: I agreed to nothing. Just checked the buy process, there is no checkbox for TOS or EULA....
Personally I think you're right, the way it is now is not okay. A "nuh-uh" response to your request (if it was that way) isn't either.
gdm41 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019somebody else did that already
https://www.change.org/p/propellerhead- ... tensions-2
When you realized that situation wasn't for you at all, did you cancel the purchase, or did you find out after the purchase?gdm41 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019btw whats funny too: I agreed to nothing. Just checked the buy process, there is no checkbox for TOS or EULA....
https://ibb.co/hm0s3Bs
I didnt know, that i cant transfer RE, just had in mind, that i can transfer reason licenses so i thought i can transfer RE aswell.bxbrkrz wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019When you realized that situation wasn't for you at all, did you cancel the purchase, or did you find out after the purchase?gdm41 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019
btw whats funny too: I agreed to nothing. Just checked the buy process, there is no checkbox for TOS or EULA....
https://ibb.co/hm0s3Bs
Did you stop buying more REs when you finally understood the situation? When I say "more" I mean after buying one RE.
Could be, but not clearly stated. Could be spun.diminished wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019By the way, that quote refers to volume licenses if I'm not mistaken. Like you can't resell parts of your Win10 Volume License to different people, only the whole thing.QVprod wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019That ruling easily applies to Reason, which can be resold. Not so easily to applied Rack Extensions. "Licenses" are tied to the account which can't be sold. They don't have their own individual serial numbers. According to the the law mentioned:
It could be argued that REs are not separate computer programs but rather part of a whole. Since accounts can't be sold the above quote would apply, putting them inline with EU law. Sure you could fight that, as it's all up to interpretation, but that'd be a hard legal battle to win.
It's already happening, piece by piece, no need to blame anyone who wants to resell unused Rack Extensions.
That's another DAW not Reason.diminished wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019It's already happening, piece by piece, no need to blame anyone who wants to resell unused Rack Extensions.
https://ask.audio/articles/soundation-a ... online-daw
Do devs want to rely on the sales made to unhappy customers? The hypothetical RE in question has already been paid for and the (unhappy?) owner will have the license removed from his/her account. And what if they get a small cut? (I feel like this has been discussed before) Buyer pays $15 - $9 for the previous owner, $3 for the dev and $3 processing fee for the Props. That's 20% of the resale price for both Props and dev; in addition to the initial sales price and results in a situation where all parties are happy.dioxide wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019That's another DAW not Reason.diminished wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019
It's already happening, piece by piece, no need to blame anyone who wants to resell unused Rack Extensions.
https://ask.audio/articles/soundation-a ... online-daw
Allowing users to sell RE licences will result in prices of REs being higher, as devs have to compensate for having a number of second hand licences in circulation. Subscriptions are the only way around allowing users to sell licences on.
They already on a road to subscription only model, and i dont like it. And that is exactly why i am so pissed off. The offer as RE´s as a subscription model, as rent to own(!) and direct purchase. They offer Reason itself as a direct purchase as well, and i can transfer it but the RE´s (which i also buyed directly) are not transferable? And they also referring to a EULA which i dont see, or have to read when buy the REs?dioxide wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019Great. Then we know who to blame when Reason goes subscription only and RE prices go up.gdm41 wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019@diminished
I open a claim on this page:
https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr/main ... how&lng=EN
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