How to generate synth tone only on release?

[Marco Raaphorst]

I am looking for ways to generate sound only on key release using Thor for example. The NNXT can do release-samples, but with a synth... any ideas?

[svenh]

You can route CV from a more advanced envelope generator like RE Charlotte.

[Oenkenstein]

I am looking for ways to generate sound only on key release using Thor for example. The NNXT can do release-samples, but with a synth... any ideas?

Here is a trick, it's not elegant, but it works:

Thor's Mod Routing bus has a function called Last Gate.

1. Create a Thor in a Combinator.
2. In the Mod Bus Routing section set:
- Source: Last Gate.
- Amount: 100.
- Destination: CV1.
- Amount 100.

3. Then connect Thor's Modulation Output CV1 to Combinator CV Input 1 and set the polarity to unipolar.

4. In the Combinator's programmer select the Thor and set:
- Source: CV in 1.
- Target: Amplifier Gain.
- Min: 127.
- Max: 0.

5. To get rid of a gate click, set Thor's Amp Envelope Attack to about 122 and to hear Thor producing a sound on a key release turn the Release up (3.82 sec).



Download combinator patch.

[Vince-Noir-99]

Maybe this helps:

[Marco Raaphorst]

I am looking for ways to generate sound only on key release using Thor for example. The NNXT can do release-samples, but with a synth... any ideas?

Here is a trick, it's not elegant, but it works:

Thor's Mod Routing bus has a function called Last Gate.

1. Create a Thor in a Combinator.
2. In the Mod Bus Routing section set:
- Source: Last Gate.
- Amount: 100.
- Destination: CV1.
- Amount 100.

3. Then connect Thor's Modulation Output CV1 to Combinator CV Input 1 and set the polarity to unipolar.

4. In the Combinator's programmer select the Thor and set:
- Source: CV in 1.
- Target: Amplifier Gain.
- Min: 127.
- Max: 0.

5. To get rid of a gate click, set Thor's Amp Envelope Attack to about 122 and to hear Thor producing a sound on a key release turn the Release up (3.82 sec).



Download combinator patch.

Thanks! Close to what I need. It doesn't do polyphonic release but I guess no trick will deliver in Reason.

P.S. The last 'Amount 100' is not needed

[Marco Raaphorst]

Maybe this helps:

Also a cool trick. Monophonic release but it works.

[selig]

Not sure exactly what you need, but in Thor you can get the Mod Envelope to be a poly release envelope easily enough. Just assign Key Gate to M.Env Gate at -100, then also assign a Button to M.Env Gate. You'll need a long Amp Env release to hear the results. Does this do anything for you?



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[jengstrom]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

[Marco Raaphorst]

Not sure exactly what you need, but in Thor you can get the Mod Envelope to be a poly release envelope easily enough. Just assign Key Gate to M.Env Gate at -100, then also assign a Button to M.Env Gate. You'll need a long Amp Env release to hear the results. Does this do anything for you?



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Couldn't reproduce this.

[Marco Raaphorst]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

Very simple indeed. Nice! Not polyphonic though.

[selig]

Not sure exactly what you need, but in Thor you can get the Mod Envelope to be a poly release envelope easily enough. Just assign Key Gate to M.Env Gate at -100, then also assign a Button to M.Env Gate. You'll need a long Amp Env release to hear the results. Does this do anything for you?



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Couldn't reproduce this.

Here's the Thor File that demonstrates this. I've been having fun with this lately!

This example shows using the Mod Env as a release envelope, and using it to control the Filter and Amp - I even added velocity as an example of how to take it even further.

Get the Thor patch here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/147 ... e.thor.zip

[jengstrom]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

Very simple indeed. Nice! Not polyphonic though.

It is polyphonic in my tests -- are you sure?

[Marco Raaphorst]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

Very simple indeed. Nice! Not polyphonic though.

It is polyphonic in my tests -- are you sure?

Mmm well what it can do is this, no method can do real release:
- play a chord, keep sustaining that chord
- play a few notes and release them (you will be the release be triggered)
- no release the chord also (no release!)

I am trying to make release bell tones for the Radical Keys which sounds nothing like a real Rhodes (sounds like a Wurlitzer).

[avasopht]

How about Mod Env(-100) ==> Amp Gain. That will be 100% polyphonic. Make sure Mod Env has 0 release & max sustain, adjust your filter and amp env to have max sustain, and you're good to go.

Edit: +Mod-Env.Sustain = MAX

[Oenkenstein]

I am trying to make release bell tones for the Radical Keys which sounds nothing like a real Rhodes (sounds like a Wurlitzer).

Nice tricks in this thread. When none of them works for you, perhaps you could sample the bell tones and use a NN-XT combined with the Radical Keys. In the NN-XT you can set the play mode to FW-SUS and the Loop End to 0 and adjust the release to your liking.

[selig]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

Very simple indeed. Nice! Not polyphonic though.

It is polyphonic in my tests -- are you sure?

Mmm well what it can do is this, no method can do real release:
- play a chord, keep sustaining that chord
- play a few notes and release them (you will be the release be triggered)
- no release the chord also (no release!)

I am trying to make release bell tones for the Radical Keys which sounds nothing like a real Rhodes (sounds like a Wurlitzer).

If I'm following you correctly, the patch I posted does all of this - what am I missing?



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[submonsterz]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

Very simple indeed. Nice! Not polyphonic though.

It is polyphonic in my tests -- are you sure?

Mmm well what it can do is this, no method can do real release:
- play a chord, keep sustaining that chord
- play a few notes and release them (you will be the release be triggered)
- no release the chord also (no release!)

I am trying to make release bell tones for the Radical Keys which sounds nothing like a real Rhodes (sounds like a Wurlitzer).

If I'm following you correctly, the patch I posted does all of this - what am I missing?



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breakfast ???

[selig]

How about MIDI Gate -> Amp Gain at -100% ?

This gives you only the release-envelope.

Very simple indeed. Nice! Not polyphonic though.

It is polyphonic in my tests -- are you sure?

Mmm well what it can do is this, no method can do real release:
- play a chord, keep sustaining that chord
- play a few notes and release them (you will be the release be triggered)
- no release the chord also (no release!)

I am trying to make release bell tones for the Radical Keys which sounds nothing like a real Rhodes (sounds like a Wurlitzer).

If I'm following you correctly, the patch I posted does all of this - what am I missing?



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breakfast ???

You are psychic! I AM missing breakfast.



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