Reason 10 Intro EUR79 / USD99
Well this was unexpected:
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/reason-10-intro/
Limited to 16 tracks, with a selection of native instruments (Europa, but no Grain, etc.), effects and full support for RE and VST.
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/reason-10-intro/
Limited to 16 tracks, with a selection of native instruments (Europa, but no Grain, etc.), effects and full support for RE and VST.
I did expect it for an hour or so - after reading this forum post:
viewtopic.php?p=384898#p384898
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madmacman wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018I did expect it for an hour or so - after reading this forum post:
viewtopic.php?p=384898#p384898
I mean it's an interesting tactic, although I'd have done it differently - I'd offer ALL native instruments & effects, give access to REs and NOT to the VSTs. This way people get to taste (and focus on) Reason's biggest strengths: native devices, rack, mixer, routing, seamless integration of REs, etc. Such a constrained - to 16 tracks - environment would also be great to ReWire to other DAWs, but even alone it would be enough for most beats & EDM music and/or would require some creative thinking (bouncing full sequences to Kong/Rex, using sequencers & Combinators to effectively increase the number of voices, etc.).
With all due respect & love for Reason, I don't think anyone in their sane mind would get Reason as a sequencer for VSTs, because both require substantial make-over.
In my opinion introductory version should focus on showcasing the strengths, not the weaknesses.
I love it that props are going all out for new business. They never could before vst integration. Now they can! I see the results on kvr so hope that relates to sales. Reason is beginning to be seen differently i think.
I just wish they'd update 9.5 with the 10.0.3 improvements to vsts as i can't afford the update right now... haha.
I just wish they'd update 9.5 with the 10.0.3 improvements to vsts as i can't afford the update right now... haha.
Nailed it, I'd say.
Direct competitor to Ableton Live Intro, which is probably Reason's nearest genre neighbour (other than Bitwig, which has no such "intro" version). Live Intro has VST support and benefits from Live being higher profile than Reason, so VST support is a must for Reason Intro (and I imagine would be a deal-breaker for novice users facing that choice).
I'd say it's a very attractive offer compared to Live Intro, and should snag lots of new users.
Direct competitor to Ableton Live Intro, which is probably Reason's nearest genre neighbour (other than Bitwig, which has no such "intro" version). Live Intro has VST support and benefits from Live being higher profile than Reason, so VST support is a must for Reason Intro (and I imagine would be a deal-breaker for novice users facing that choice).
I'd say it's a very attractive offer compared to Live Intro, and should snag lots of new users.
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This is worth $99 USD for the Audio Pitch Editor alone!
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Seriously. Reason's is more natural sounding than everything else out there.
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Oh wow, no kidding! I'm glad they included that here.
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Well, Melodyne sounds just as good, but Melodyne Essential (which is what Reason's audio pitch editor is comparable to IMHO) costs $99 USD alone and you don't even get a DAW with it. The value of Reason Intro with its audio pitch editor is truly incredible - I can't think of any other DAW out there that offers such a feature at that price.
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Yes, I see no limitation, just an invitation for another workflow and make final decisions. You can bounce multiple tracks to one track and also save the steps in multiple project files if you want to make some changes.
The modulation capabilities of combining VSTs with Reason devices is the selling point of including it. That's also one of it's strengths now. The days of VST being a separate thing from Reason are long over now. Though 16 tracks is plenty for many songs. Since mix channels don't count as tracks, you still have plenty of routing flexibility with say Kong, while still only using 1 track. I rarely have 16 different instruments in my productions.antic604 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018
I mean it's an interesting tactic, although I'd have done it differently - I'd offer ALL native instruments & effects, give access to REs and NOT to the VSTs. This way people get to taste (and focus on) Reason's biggest strengths: native devices, rack, mixer, routing, seamless integration of REs, etc. Such a constrained - to 16 tracks - environment would also be great to ReWire to other DAWs, but even alone it would be enough for most beats & EDM music and/or would require some creative thinking (bouncing full sequences to Kong/Rex, using sequencers & Combinators to effectively increase the number of voices, etc.).
With all due respect & love for Reason, I don't think anyone in their sane mind would get Reason as a sequencer for VSTs, because both require substantial make-over.
In my opinion introductory version should focus on showcasing the strengths, not the weaknesses.
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I wonder if this a total new coding from the ground up? If so maybe their working on a whole new Reason rewrite.
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I doubt it. There would have been much less labor, R&D, and cost in general in just deactivating the missing features and making a new build, and then call it Reason Intro. The majority of the work was probably already done in Essentials before it was retired as a product.United South wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018I wonder if this a total new coding from the ground up? If so maybe their working on a whole new Reason rewrite.
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It looks as if they have done the limitations in a good thought out way. I am glad to have the full version, but would I start out now, comparing DAWs, this Intro version is spot on, to try out the Reason environment, or why not as a second DAW. There is hope at the horizon with needed moves like this. They are up there as a very good alternative now. Hope many new users get on board, to see this platform blossom.
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If this is their replacement for Essentials, I think they've nailed it. Having used Essentials up until last month's $99 upgrade, I'll admit that Subtractor and ID-8 felt really stale after not very long. Offering Thor, Europa and Kong really does make Reason Intro a pretty great DAW by itself and the price will absolutely attract new users, while still dangling some pretty sweet carrots (Grain, ReWire, Radical Piano, etc.) for those who want to step it up.
Hum... I am still waiting a compelling reason to update 9.5 to 10. What are the improvements regarding vst support in 10.0.3? Thx.
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For new users I think Reason Intro at $80 offers much better value than the Reason 9.5 to 10 upgrade at $130.
Reason Intro is honestly is an awesome deal for what you get with it. It's a killer set of tools which you can augment with cheap or freeware VSTs and RE's to create a killer music making setup.
However it makes the full version of Reason seem like bad value, you pay a lot more for not much more utility. Then you have to worry about $130 annual upgrades.
Reason Intro is honestly is an awesome deal for what you get with it. It's a killer set of tools which you can augment with cheap or freeware VSTs and RE's to create a killer music making setup.
However it makes the full version of Reason seem like bad value, you pay a lot more for not much more utility. Then you have to worry about $130 annual upgrades.
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Regarding VST support? There's no changes from 9.5 to 10.0.3 really. The only reason to upgrade would be to get Grain, Europa, and the additional sample content. If you don't need that, then I'd wait it out and see what appears next.
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Only judging by what I've read on this forum it's about loading times improving mainly? But that's best guess, I'm still on 9.5 (prop username = tincture haha).
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