Possible "coloration" of SSL mixer vs. 14:2 mixer?

[8cros]

The third drawing.

Fig 3.
The mixer adds a new post CV signal. (Level 0, the master does not affect the output)


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[selig]

The third drawing.

fig 3. The mixer adds a new post CB signal. (Level 0, the master does not affect the output)[/b]


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Don't think I could replicate this either, but honestly I'm not sure I understand what this is supposed to be doing. What is a "new post CB signal"? The master DOES affect the output in every test I've done. Lost here…


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[8cros]

The fourth drawing.

Fig 4.
Re mixer does not notice the bug.

[selig]

The fourth drawing.

Fig 4. Re mixer does not notice the bug.

What bug? What's the setup for all of these tests?


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[8cros]

The fourth drawing.

Fig 4. Re mixer does not notice the bug.

What bug? What's the setup for all of these tests?


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You have showered me with questions.
Please, take your time and be careful. I did not have time to read all of your questions.

[chimp_spanner]

More details is needed 8cros. How is the Matrix connected to the Subtractor? Which parameter? Or just Gate and CV? What's in the Combi and why is it there?

[chimp_spanner]

I have Skope on demo so I'm trying to replicate the setup.

[selig]

The fourth drawing.

Fig 4. Re mixer does not notice the bug.

What bug? What's the setup for all of these tests?


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You have showered me with questions.
Please, take your time and be careful. I did not have time to read all of your questions.

I really didn't have but one question - most of what I mentioned was that I'm not getting the same results as you are getting. ;(


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[chimp_spanner]

Selig, the "problem" is that if you set the Subtractor's volume to zero, feed it a gate signal...and then insert like 10 compressors (or 3 Screams on maximum) afterwards, you still hear some noise.

Luckily, I don't think anyone is going to do this in a track. Ever

No, it shouldn't happen. But with a program as complicated as Reason, if you start looking for ways to break it, you're gonna find them. I'm not being a Reason fanboy or apologist but ya know, this is barely a bug. In my very humble opinion. But by all means, you can fill out an error report using the contact form and maybe they'll patch it in the future...

[selig]

Selig, the "problem" is that if you set the Subtractor's volume to zero, feed it a gate signal...and then insert like 10 compressors (or 3 Screams on maximum) afterwards, you still hear some noise.

Luckily, I don't think anyone is going to do this in a track. Ever

No, it shouldn't happen. But with a program as complicated as Reason, if you start looking for ways to break it, you're gonna find them. I'm not being a Reason fanboy or apologist but ya know, this is barely a bug. In my very humble opinion. But by all means, you can fill out an error report using the contact form and maybe they'll patch it in the future...

Got it now - simple explanations are useful IMO. Thanks!



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[chimp_spanner]

I think...I'm gonna go make some music now. I feel like I've stared into the abyss, and the abyss has stared back

[8cros]

More details is needed 8cros. How is the Matrix connected to the Subtractor? Which parameter? Or just Gate and CV? What's in the Combi and why is it there?

Combi's just my amplifier. I only use the input and output of the compressor Level. And Ratio 1: 1.
All connections are automatic.
All patches standard init. (Device reset)

[joeyluck]

I think if you put a few more compressors on there, you'll find the easter egg with a very faint hidden audio message...

[8cros]

I replicated this setup and did not see any issues whatsoever. Maybe you could give a few more details?


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Oh sure. What exactly do you not get?
You can show your version?

[selig]

I replicated this setup and did not see any issues whatsoever. Maybe you could give a few more details?


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Oh sure. What exactly do you not get?
You can show your version?

Turns out I didn't get the part hidden in the Combi, where you increase the gain a gazillion times (not sure why). In photography it's called "pixel peeping", where you zoom in to the pixel level and over-analyze things that probably aren't important in the final image.

It's like turning the volume all the way up on a microphone preamp and then complaining you can hear distortion. Or better yet, like running 10 microphone preamps in a row and noticing the signal isn't "clean" any more.

There's an audio term called Nominal Level https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominal_level which referees to the gain range where a device is designed to work best. For analog gear such as microphone preamps, running too low will add unnecessary noise, and running too hot will saturate slightly (not always in a good way). Same for analog tape. In digital audio, the nominal levels are much more forgiving (assuming floating point here), covering a much wider range. But they still exist. And when you run things outside of their nominal levels, either with analog or digital, of course you will eventually get "artifacts" of some sort, which may vary from device to device or from system to system.

Bottom Line:
You found artifacts that you can ONLY observe when "abusing" the system and running levels far beyond nominal. It is for this reason it's a total "non-issue" IMO.
I'm not dismissing what you've found or even disputing what you've found (now that I understand it), just saying "of course things get squirrelly when you push them far enough past their limits".



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[Stranger.]

I feel like I've stared into the abyss, and the abyss has stared back

HEHEH just what did you see there??

8cros- have you checked the rv7000 yet,or can you not do that check?
If not,try the octorex device-see it that triggers this 'gate'. Please&ty.

[8cros]

I feel like I've stared into the abyss, and the abyss has stared back

HEHEH just what did you see there??

8cros- have you checked the rv7000 yet,or can you not do that check?
If not,try the octorex device-see it that triggers this 'gate'. Please&ty.

I can not for a long time listening to digital distortion and sawtooth waves without reverb.

[Stranger.]

I can not for a long time listening to digital distortion and sawtooth waves without reverb.

A simple y/n is good with me m8. The newer rv7000-- is it happening there??

[8cros]

I can not for a long time listening to digital distortion and sawtooth waves without reverb.

A simple y/n is good with me m8. The newer rv7000-- is it happening there??

I find it difficult to translate what you say.
RV 7000 only need to protect your hearing.
A null test will not show you the features of the mixer.
This too secret channel for transmitting information. I always saw strange coincidences. So I knew what to look further..

[househoppin09]

I must say, I never anticipated that I would be sending you folks down such a deep rabbit hole with my post! I was pretty well convinced that there was no coloration by the end of Page 1, but thanks in any case to everyone for digging so deep on this. A lot of interesting information has come to light, however little practical application there may be for it. I especially want to thank orthodox for the incisive answers that cut right to the heart of things, and selig for his endless generosity and patience which I find truly inspiring. Hopefully this has now run its course, as it's hard to imagine where things can really go from here. I think all the bases have been covered and covered again, at this point.

[sdst]

I don't know about coloring, but i'm skipping the big mixer and using only the rack mixer

because the workflow. there is something i don't like in the ssl mixer, need hide channels.

[Stranger.]

I especially want to thank orthodox for the incisive answers that cut right to the heart of things, and selig for his endless generosity and patience which I find truly inspiring.

Loool-- really? i mean reallly?? =wow. I cannot express how wrong they are.
Again- i invite you-househoppin09 to give a response to this image please-
Question= "Do you see any differences in these 2 windows?"

RSN 4096 rect win.JPG (235.37 KiB) Viewed 2442 times

I can only assure that there are noticable variations,and these types of variations are what is cutting the heart out of reason -imo.
Case closed.

[jonheal]

Yes, I think I see some differences. I also don't a rat's patoottie — eviscerated Reason heart, or not. There are more pressing concerns in life, I think.

[Exowildebeest]

I especially want to thank orthodox for the incisive answers that cut right to the heart of things, and selig for his endless generosity and patience which I find truly inspiring.

Loool-- really? i mean reallly?? =wow. I cannot express how wrong they are.
Again- i invite you-househoppin09 to give a response to this image please-
Question= "Do you see any differences in these 2 windows?"

RSN 4096 rect win.JPG

I can only assure that there are noticable variations,and these types of variations are what is cutting the heart out of reason -imo.
Case closed.

I'm seeing pretty nice modern art

What exactly should that image tell us about Reason? What measurement does it represent? What value "varies"?

[kloeckno]

I especially want to thank orthodox for the incisive answers that cut right to the heart of things, and selig for his endless generosity and patience which I find truly inspiring.

Loool-- really? i mean reallly?? =wow. I cannot express how wrong they are.
Again- i invite you-househoppin09 to give a response to this image please-
Question= "Do you see any differences in these 2 windows?"

I can only assure that there are noticable variations,and these types of variations are what is cutting the heart out of reason -imo.
Case closed.

Oh wow, really mind blowing there... (sarcasm)