Looking for an Audio To Midi tool

[pushedbutton]

Pretty sure I found something on here about a company selling a program that can analyse an audio file and output a multitrack midi.
Can't find it now.
Anyone know what I'm talking about.
(I know you can do a monophonic track in reason, I wanna be able to process comercial tracks.)

[Billy+]

Something like this maybe?

https://products.zplane.de/decoda

[pushedbutton]

No that wasn't it, it literally make a midi file out of every drum and instrument in an mp3.

[Billy+]

No that wasn't it, it literally make a midi file out of every drum and instrument in an mp3.

If you find it make sure to post the details as I've never found anything that truly works.

[OldGoat]

Wrong forum?
But a good idea, just "duckduckgoed" a little and found Intelliscore...will test, if this can handle a Morbid Angel song...

"Ensemble Edition: WAVE to MIDI converter incorporating Innovative Music Systems' breakthrough multiple-instrument conversion technology. IntelliScore Ensemble is the only product in the world that can listen to a musical audio file comprised of several different instruments including drums and convert it to a file containing the notes and drums played, broken down by instrument. It can also convert a percussion recording comprised of several different drums to a multi-drum MIDI file, not merely find the beats and trigger a single drum as other products do."

http://www.intelliscore.net/demo.html

EDIT:
Did it, the result is as funny as it sucks...I know that it is a hard test...
The first 30 seconds of this love song:

This is what the "tool" created:

Rename it to Altars.mid:

Altars.mid.txt

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[Billy+]

Pretty sure I found something on here about a company selling a program that can analyse an audio file and output a multitrack midi.
Can't find it now.
Anyone know what I'm talking about.
(I know you can do a monophonic track in reason, I wanna be able to process comercial tracks.)

Maybe this one?

https://hitnmix.com

[OldGoat]

Maybe this one?

https://hitnmix.com

Looks promising, but it is very expensive.
Oops I did it again, the result is also funny as it sucks...I know that it is a hard test...
I've done the following: Imported the wav file, exported it to midi.

The first 45 seconds of this love song:

This is what the "tool" created:

Rename it to ".mid":

Altars_new.mid.txt

(80.17 KiB) Downloaded 41 times

[Billy+]

Looks promising, but it is very expensive.

It's good to see you tried the software but I guessing that the results aren't going to be the best given the audio you're using. Not to upset you but have you tried it on something a bit more mainstream?

[OldGoat]

Looks promising, but it is very expensive.

It's good to see you tried the software but I guessing that the results aren't going to be the best given the audio you're using. Not to upset you but have you tried it on something a bit more mainstream?

No worries, the trial is valid for 30 days, so if you suggest something (in the best case with a link to the audio), I can process it and upload the midi here.
The software is quite resource demanding, and the trial only allows to process 45 seconds, so it would be great, if you also provide which 45 seconds I should take.
But please be patient, it could be that it takes one or two days until I upload the result, because I'm not often here...

I used Morbid Angel, because searching for tabs leads to 1024 very different tabs for the same song, and I wanted to check, if there is a tool that could ease the pain of finding out what the hell the guys are doing...it's also hard for me to play such style by ear, especially since I want to know, what the bass is playing.

[jam-s]

you could try to split the track into stems first using something like spleeter or any of its implementations (*cough* like tonal balance control *cough*) and then feeding the resulting less complex material to your audio to midi guesser software.

[OldGoat]

you could try to split the track into stems first using something like spleeter or any of its implementations (*cough* like tonal balance control *cough*) and then feeding the resulting less complex material to your audio to midi guesser software.

Alter, das ist ja voll die Nerd-Scheiße (nicht böse gemeint)...
I like the python language, because you can read it almost like natural language, but I hate the version hell, it reminds me of the DLL hell, even under Linux it is sometimes a pain in the ass, although having "virtual environments" can ease the pain.

However, I use Windows on my DAW machine, I followed the instructions for installing the stuff with conda, and guess what happened?

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Since I'm not at work here, I will give up on this now...

[gullum]

Looks promising, but it is very expensive.

It's good to see you tried the software but I guessing that the results aren't going to be the best given the audio you're using. Not to upset you but have you tried it on something a bit more mainstream?

what? that's offenting Morbid Angel is as mainstream as it gets Blessed are the sic was a regular in all nightclubs some years ago

[OldGoat]

It's good to see you tried the software but I guessing that the results aren't going to be the best given the audio you're using. Not to upset you but have you tried it on something a bit more mainstream?

what? that's offenting Morbid Angel is as mainstream as it gets Blessed are the sic was a regular in all nightclubs some years ago

They were the first Death Metal band signed to a major label, so this kind of true, this "sell-out" was one of the drivers of the second wave of Black Metal.
And do not forget this:

[Creativemind]

Have a look at Scaler 2.

I found this amazing the other week for analysing a song (from You Tube) and telling me the chords. It will then allow you to drag the chords into your daw track. I wasn't doing what you were specifically wanting but might be worth taking a look. It can analyse audio and tell you the chords.

[OldGoat]

Have a look at Scaler 2.

I found this amazing the other week for analysing a song (from You Tube) and telling me the chords. It will then allow you to drag the chords into your daw track. I wasn't doing what you were specifically wanting but might be worth taking a look. It can analyse audio and tell you the chords.

Thanks, but I think the problem here are not the chords, this song is written in E minor (and yes, some chromatic extensions are being used), the riffs are my problem here and that the bass is often not hearable).

[jam-s]

you could try to split the track into stems first using something like spleeter or any of its implementations (*cough* like tonal balance control *cough*) and then feeding the resulting less complex material to your audio to midi guesser software.

Alter, das ist ja voll die Nerd-Scheiße (nicht böse gemeint)...
I like the python language, because you can read it almost like natural language, but I hate the version hell, it reminds me of the DLL hell, even under Linux it is sometimes a pain in the ass, although having "virtual environments" can ease the pain.

https://github.com/boy1dr/SpleeterGui (download: https://makenweb.com/SpleeterGUI)

Makes this a lot more enjoyable

[Billy+]

Sorry I wasn't saying anything detrimental about the artist / genre other than it might be a bit to complex for conversion to midi, I personally love a bit of Slayer when I'm in the mood.

As for stemming a track into less complex segments that's exactly what took me to decoda as you can filter large portions of a track out and concentrate on individual frequency ranges, couple that with a piano roll and more of the midi / note data becomes available.

Now I've not used any of the tools as they all seem to offer audio to midi but I'm sceptical that anything truly achieves this without actually requiring more work than I can be bothered to put in.

But if you find a good working solution please report back as I would be very interested.

Enjoy

[OldGoat]

Sorry I wasn't saying anything detrimental about the artist / genre other than it might be a bit to complex for conversion to midi, I personally love a bit of Slayer when I'm in the mood.

"There's no need to say I'm sorry" (one day I have to write this ballad in a f@ckin' Michael Bolton style and get rich), at least I did not read it that way.
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYER...

Trying to get back to the topic:

One additional thought I had was: "If the tool can handle this, it can handle anything".
They are both quite expensive, and although I would not consider myself a good musician, I'm at least able to find out may stuff by ear.

So the song for testing such software should be not too easy, that is also a reason, why I'm open to suggestions.

One alternative might be Ableton, I found one post from the mighty Raaphorst in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7508682&hilit=ableton+can

Ableton Live can do it. Not always perfect on busy and complex harmonies. It's a great feature though, you can create midi out of audio. Also for rhythm it works nicely. Real acoustic grooves > midi parts.

[Billy+]

Totally agree, "if it's to simply then it's not a good test"

But I still think that either way none of the current tools available are going to produce a good result without the track being broken down into reasonable frequency ranges.

[OldGoat]

Alter, das ist ja voll die Nerd-Scheiße (nicht böse gemeint)...
I like the python language, because you can read it almost like natural language, but I hate the version hell, it reminds me of the DLL hell, even under Linux it is sometimes a pain in the ass, although having "virtual environments" can ease the pain.

https://github.com/boy1dr/SpleeterGui (download: https://makenweb.com/SpleeterGUI)

Makes this a lot more enjoyable

Thank you so much! THIS is a game changer, the quality of the bass stem is amazing!
I will need to upload the results somewhere, might take some time!

Totally agree, "if it's to simply then it's not a good test"

But I still think that either way none of the current tools available are going to produce a good result without the track being broken down into reasonable frequency ranges.

1. Used SpleeterGUI for separation of the first 45 seconds wav into 4 stems: Bass; Drums, Guitar and Vocals (which is empty, ...it is really that good)
2. Imported the bass.wav into "Hit'n'MixInfinity" (€339), I did not tweak anything, just did a midi export afterwards: In lack of better words:

bassHitnMixInfinity.mid.txt

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(rename to mid)

[Billy+]

Should I assume you was impressed with the exported midi? I don't have to to try the file.

[Billy+]

OldGoat any chance you can pull the motif out of this ? Starts 14 second in. So you probably just dump from the start as the track is not that complex.

With vocal and beat seperation on this

[OldGoat]

Great suggestion, back in the days I also used to here them in a row...

OldGoat any chance you can pull the motif out of this ? Starts 14 second in. So you probably just dump from the start as the track is not that complex.

A multitrack midi: https://anonymousfiles.io/f/Prodigy_short.mid

With vocal and beat seperation on this

Re-animated my neglected soundcloud page:


Separated bass (Hit'n'MixInfinity):

bass_short.mid.txt

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[EDIT: Removed garbage links]

[Billy+]

Both links go to a php file fac.php

And I was after the actual vocal from the second one not the midi

Starts at 20 seconds in 45 seconds should cover it

Stick the motif midi & vocal in a zip and PM them!

[OldGoat]

Mods, can you of you please remove this?
Not related to the topic, thanks!

Both links go to a php file fac.php

OMS, I apologize, first time using this!

A right click the button and "save links as" worked...removed them anyway, because they obviously suck. Replaced them with two midi files, the vocals will follow...

Stick the motif midi & vocal in a zip and PM them!

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What am I doing wrong?