Is there a 2023 Roadmap?

[Jac459]

I really love 12. The combinator and Mimic are totally worth it. I am also loving using my vst3s without bluecat.

Mimic would be nice to have. But that's pretty much the only thing in R12 I truly care about. I did plan on upgrading back when the R12 upgrade was first released, but since it was riddled with problems I didn't. I know they've sorted most things out by now. But it took them so long that all the I initial hype I felt around the upgrade is long gone.
I might as well wait and see what R13 (or R14) has to offer.

That's the problem of forums... people without issues don't post, so basically it gives the false impression of everybody having bugs.
Using R12 since Jan 2022 with no issue at all.

[avasopht]

That's the problem of forums... people without issues don't post, so basically it gives the false impression of everybody having bugs.
Using R12 since Jan 2022 with no issue at all.

It's more a problem with human cognition.

You can show people statistics, and they will still turn around and tell you, "yes, but I'm hearing reports from real people on forums."

[TritoneAddiction]

That's the problem of forums... people without issues don't post, so basically it gives the false impression of everybody having bugs.
Using R12 since Jan 2022 with no issue at all.

It's more a problem with human cognition.

You can show people statistics, and they will still turn around and tell you, "yes, but I'm hearing reports from real people on forums."

Sure it may be true that only a minority were affected by bugs. But still, the bugs were obviously way more prominent compared to other releases. And some people had really crippling bugs. At the very least the release was sold in an unfinished state. There's always loads of complaints with any new release. But the complaints are typically more about people not getting the features they want. When it comes to Reason people don't often complain this much about bugs regarding a release.

It's one thing to look at statistics, but as someone who experienced really crippling bugs myself with the release of R11, to the point where it was unusable I pretty much promised myself then and there that with any Reason upgrade, I would never be RS guinea pig ever again. So I followed this forum carefully this time and there were simply too many people (even if that's a minority) reporting problems for me to take the leap this time. I'm simply not risking stability for a couple of new toys. It's as simple as that. For me stability and reliability always comes first.
Again I do believe R12 is stable NOW, but at this point I've simply lost interest.

[Jac459]

Again I do believe R12 is stable NOW, but at this point I've simply lost interest.

I find it very healthy that we all have different perspectives and tastes.

[avasopht]

Sure it may be true that only a minority were affected by bugs. But still, the bugs were obviously way more prominent compared to other releases. And some people had really crippling bugs. At the very least the release was sold in an unfinished state. There's always loads of complaints with any new release. But the complaints are typically more about people not getting the features they want. When it comes to Reason people don't often complain this much about bugs regarding a release.

It's one thing to look at statistics, but as someone who experienced really crippling bugs myself with the release of R11, to the point where it was unusable I pretty much promised myself then and there that with any Reason upgrade, I would never be RS guinea pig ever again. So I followed this forum carefully this time and there were simply too many people (even if that's a minority) reporting problems for me to take the leap this time. I'm simply not risking stability for a couple of new toys. It's as simple as that. For me stability and reliability always comes first.
Again I do believe R12 is stable NOW, but at this point I've simply lost interest.

Oh, I agree 100%.

The R12 release was concerning for me. I wrote a few threads about it that I think have aged pretty well

[TritoneAddiction]

Again I do believe R12 is stable NOW, but at this point I've simply lost interest.

I find it very healthy that we all have different perspectives and tastes.

Yes

[deeplink]

By the time Reason finally gets M1 native support Apple will have lapped them a third time with the M3.

Isn't Apple Silicone all the same thing? So it doesn't matter if its M1, 2 etc. ?

Where do you get your information from? I'm interested

[QVprod]

They said early 2023 for M1 support. There’s still a month and a half in the first quarter.

[avasopht]

Isn't Apple Silicone all the same thing? So it doesn't matter if its M1, 2 etc. ?

Where do you get your information from? I'm interested

He's just being tongue in cheek

[DaveyG]

Isn't Apple Silicone all the same thing? So it doesn't matter if its M1, 2 etc. ?

Where do you get your information from? I'm interested

He's just being tongue in cheek

It's the N1 processor you need to worry about.

[WaxTrax]

He's just being tongue in cheek

It's the N1 processor you need to worry about.

When are we going to get support for running Reason on an Apple Watch?

[joeyluck]

Reason has supported M1 since Reason 9.5.

Y'all are probably just looking in the wrong place...

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[_andreypetr_]

Reason has supported M1 since Reason 9.5.

Okay from that moment I had to do it

Apple silly cone support

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[iTrensharo]

Reason has supported M1 since Reason 9.5.

Y'all are probably just looking in the wrong place...


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People are asking for M1 Native Support, so that they don't have to depend on Rosetta 2, which increases CPU and Memory Usage/Swapping, Thermals and decreases Performance.

Also, anything that isn't M1 Native has Planned Obsolescence built-into it de facto, which is why it was such a big deal that competitors were quick in moving to M1 Native (e.g. Studio One) It meant their users didn't have to pay a massive tax just to get an update that didn't turn their DAW into vaporware. Anything between Reason 9 and 11 is effectively vaporware, at this point. Once Rosetta is gone, you're going to be SoL unless you stop upgrading your OS and don't buy a new Mac (which will ship with the latest OS, unless you buy VERY close to release date).

Rosetta 2 is not "here to stay," and I'd expect Apple to pull it out of macOS after the next release. I wouldn't even be surprised if it gets pulled out in the next macOS release. I reckon Reason Studios is okay not releasing a Reason 13, because they are aware that Rosetta is likely to go away soon, and will be able to make up for any "excitement sales" from a new major version release with upgrade sales from users who are still on older versions of the DAW who will have no choice but to pay up if they want to run an up-to-date macOS operating system.

Additionally, that only works for DAWs that host plug-ins out-of-process in Rosetta 2 (Logic Pro, Bitwig Studio) - ignoring the fact that many plug-ins can be buggy when hosted this way. Those that do not simply cannot use the Reason Rack Plug-in unless you significantly nerf your entire production chain and run the host DAW under Rosetta 2 as well.

This means anything that isn't at least Reason 12 (coming Soon™) will be 100% incompatible on new Macs that ship with a version of macOS that do not support Rosetta 2. Anyone on older versions will have to think about upgrading, unless they move to Windows to continue using the older version. That, or they can continue to use their older Mac and stop upgrading macOS itself.

I have a MBP, but I also have a Windows Desktop and Notebook, so I haven't really felt a huge amount of "pressure," though I am pretty close to removing Reason and considering it a "write off." They seem to be the absolute slowest developers in the DAW space, and I'd rather build my workflow and toolset around developers that are a bit more agile, responsive, and logical in their project management and development planning and delivery. You'd think Reason was a 1 man shop with the way they are progressing things. I can't see myself ever investing further in upgrades, or even Rack Extensions. I've really decreased my usage of it, accordingly.

[Jac459]

By the time Reason finally gets M1 native support Apple will have lapped them a third time with the M3.

Actually it is M native support, so it will be compatible... The M compatibility is just due to a one-off architecture change.

[strangers]

Again I do believe R12 is stable NOW, but at this point I've simply lost interest.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts and feelings. I caved and bought the R12 upgrade when it was pretty heavily discounted to $70 or whatever its lowest price point was. Have I installed R12 yet? Nope. As much as I hate to admit it, the sale shopped me. VST3 support was really all I was interested in. The time has come and I'm still more than happy with R11 Suite for the time being.

[Faastwalker]

Is there a 2023 Roadmap?

Yes, but it's not due until 2024

[moneykube]

Is there a 2023 Roadmap?

Yes, but it's not due until 2024

I love slow cooked delicacies ... you would think after 17 months it would burn...
Roadmap priority level > negative 72> the answer to life , the universe and everything >but backwards.
Oh well... perhaps we will get nuked before the elusive due date of dinner.

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[Overtherainbow]

Also, anything that isn't M1 Native has Planned Obsolescence built-into it de facto, which is why it was such a big deal that competitors were quick in moving to M1 Native (e.g. Studio One) It meant their users didn't have to pay a massive tax just to get an update that didn't turn their DAW into vaporware.

First of all, apple users are not even 15% of all users (and of those 15%, M-chip users are not even 30%) and the market cares about you in these exact same terms - as if you (potentially) represented the ¬15%. That's too much to give you the middle finger and send you to the apple forum where the issue belongs, but not enough to make it a №1 priority.

Secondly, the M chips are "meh" value for their money and they seem to work good in the medium price range, but that's about it. M chips are not "the future", just Apple now owning more of their production chain. Higher-end apple machines still use and WILL use intel chips.

And thirdly... Dude, you paid money to be a guinea pig for new tech that turned your DAW (which worked and works fine with anything else) into "vaporware" - that's a "tax" you imposed on yourself. Reason worked fine with apple on intel chips. This is why it's an apple forum issue.

When making music, we interface with the DAW, not with the chips on our computers, so the whole attitude of expecting your software to serve your hardware and not the other way around, seems backwards to me. It could be that you're not good enough to be using Reason

Joking aside, RS are good guys and are also fashionably greedy, so they will fix it - just give it a bit more time.

[WaxTrax]

Secondly, the M chips are "meh" value for their money and they seem to work good in the medium price range, but that's about it. M chips are not "the future", just Apple now owning more of their production chain. Higher-end apple machines still use and WILL use intel chips.

This is absolutely untrue, and value is subjective in this case. M chips absolutely are the future in the Apple ecosystem, and the Mac Pro is the only computer still using Intel chips, and the transition to Apple Silicon on that model is expected this year.

Arguments about total market and user share of the Apple platform may or may not be valid, but there is no doubt that Apple is leaving Intel behind in all Mac computers.

[tiker01]

Secondly, the M chips are "meh" value for their money and they seem to work good in the medium price range, but that's about it. M chips are not "the future", just Apple now owning more of their production chain. Higher-end apple machines still use and WILL use intel chips.

This is absolutely untrue, and value is subjective in this case. M chips absolutely are the future in the Apple ecosystem, and the Mac Pro is the only computer still using Intel chips, and the transition to Apple Silicon on that model is expected this year.

Arguments about total market and user share of the Apple platform may or may not be valid, but there is no doubt that Apple is leaving Intel behind in all Mac computers.

Just wanted to chime in to cause some disturbance.

It is not about Intel. It is about ARM64 vs x64. Therefore, if/when Intel will be able to produce ARM64 chips, designed either by Apple or Intel, they will have a chance to get back into MACs.

[WaxTrax]

That's a great point. My only argument against that would be the investment Apple has put into their own chips up to this point. I don't see them turning away from that any time soon.

[mimidancer]

Mimic would be nice to have. But that's pretty much the only thing in R12 I truly care about. I did plan on upgrading back when the R12 upgrade was first released, but since it was riddled with problems I didn't. I know they've sorted most things out by now. But it took them so long that all the I initial hype I felt around the upgrade is long gone.
I might as well wait and see what R13 (or R14) has to offer.

That's the problem of forums... people without issues don't post, so basically it gives the false impression of everybody having bugs.
Using R12 since Jan 2022 with no issue at all.

I post fairly often and it is usually not about a problem. But then I am most ignored on this forum. I have been simply my dfam a lot. thinking about sharing the loops in rex format.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Yes to dfam rex loops!

Also, has anyone linked to the new roadmap update they posted recently? Thought you people would be all over it by now.

[Faastwalker]

Also, has anyone linked to the new roadmap update they posted recently? Thought you people would be all over it by now.

Yes, got the email today with the link .............. but then noticed that the article in the link was dated 16 December 2022

Roadmap update from CEO Niklas Agevik