Having a ball with reason 12 - workarounds for a couple things?
Posted: 17 Mar 2024
Hi, I have not bought it, I received 6 months free of reason plus with the purchase of my M-Audio 192/6, and activated it 2 days ago.
Wow Reason has come a long way.
If I was ever to continue using it after sub expires, I will do a month here and there where needed, and I personally think the sub model is great for this one cause you get all the RS devices.
I have been having a lot of fun without a keyboard composing in bed at night because of all the players and I am really impressed with the sounds of synths like Europa.
I will not be buying RE's like before, I will get the free ones and if I keep using it I will need something essential like Selig gain but that's about it.
I am however impressed that a lot of RE's have rent to buy options that can really help fledgling musicians out or anyone in a tight spot. And regardless, have looked through the RE's and am flabbergasted (in a good way) how many are available since I disappeared.
The best news is that it works flawlessly in Pro Tools. I can use the players and synths as well as FX in my preferred DAW, and the cpu load has been ridiculously light. PT's meter's are barely moving with a few R+ instances.
One thing I noticed - like Ableton live, Reason does not compensate visual latency.
So for example, if I put in a fab filter linear phase EQ in Reason itself, it will produce no audio as the playhead passes over any clip on any track, just by the plugin being placed even once on any track, until the latency value of the plugin has passed. DAWs like PT and Cubase and pretty much all the others do it differently buy playing out the delay BEFORE the playhead starts moving, therefore everything is always in visual sync.
Basically, the way I see it, using reason itself, you really just don't want to use latent plugins. For a heavy UAD user like me, it would be fairly difficult when it comes time to cutting up audio tracks for example and auditioning slices.
Hence it's a bit of a showstopper for me as a main DAW, but it's a bit of a shame as it has so much to love and I was able to get right back into it and remembered all key shortcuts like I never stopped using them.
My favourite drum sequencer is ReDrum, still, but I use it to control other devices, because I love the traditional step system per sound rather than an overview grid.
All this said with regards to latent plugins, it keeps it audibly in check, but since I do a lot of editing.... not for me.
Unless, there's a workaround I don't know of? I have been into every menu drop down setting and every setting in preferences, is there anything I have missed that could have the PDC behave like other DAWs?
There are plenty of no latency native plugs out there and most REs are the same, and I guess I have the Pro Tools workaround as long as I have my ilok dongle handy.
I have actually gone back to Mac (M2 Ultra) after getting back into music after such a massive hiatus, and keeping my PC for the gaming I love it and use it for. I am thrilled to see Props just released a native Apple silicon version also.
It seems REs work in plugin mode but not VST, so the latency thing is not really an issue in plugin mode anyway, and main sequencer is not usable, it's all about the devices.
BTW I was comparing Reason's time stretch quality to elastique pro and it holds up even today,. Very very impressive.
You really can do EVERYTHING in Reason now, you have integrated pitch, audio quantize, great stretch, AND, vst2 & 3 plugins. It's become serious one stop shop DAW for many and I can see why.
Wow Reason has come a long way.
If I was ever to continue using it after sub expires, I will do a month here and there where needed, and I personally think the sub model is great for this one cause you get all the RS devices.
I have been having a lot of fun without a keyboard composing in bed at night because of all the players and I am really impressed with the sounds of synths like Europa.
I will not be buying RE's like before, I will get the free ones and if I keep using it I will need something essential like Selig gain but that's about it.
I am however impressed that a lot of RE's have rent to buy options that can really help fledgling musicians out or anyone in a tight spot. And regardless, have looked through the RE's and am flabbergasted (in a good way) how many are available since I disappeared.
The best news is that it works flawlessly in Pro Tools. I can use the players and synths as well as FX in my preferred DAW, and the cpu load has been ridiculously light. PT's meter's are barely moving with a few R+ instances.
One thing I noticed - like Ableton live, Reason does not compensate visual latency.
So for example, if I put in a fab filter linear phase EQ in Reason itself, it will produce no audio as the playhead passes over any clip on any track, just by the plugin being placed even once on any track, until the latency value of the plugin has passed. DAWs like PT and Cubase and pretty much all the others do it differently buy playing out the delay BEFORE the playhead starts moving, therefore everything is always in visual sync.
Basically, the way I see it, using reason itself, you really just don't want to use latent plugins. For a heavy UAD user like me, it would be fairly difficult when it comes time to cutting up audio tracks for example and auditioning slices.
Hence it's a bit of a showstopper for me as a main DAW, but it's a bit of a shame as it has so much to love and I was able to get right back into it and remembered all key shortcuts like I never stopped using them.
My favourite drum sequencer is ReDrum, still, but I use it to control other devices, because I love the traditional step system per sound rather than an overview grid.
All this said with regards to latent plugins, it keeps it audibly in check, but since I do a lot of editing.... not for me.
Unless, there's a workaround I don't know of? I have been into every menu drop down setting and every setting in preferences, is there anything I have missed that could have the PDC behave like other DAWs?
There are plenty of no latency native plugs out there and most REs are the same, and I guess I have the Pro Tools workaround as long as I have my ilok dongle handy.
I have actually gone back to Mac (M2 Ultra) after getting back into music after such a massive hiatus, and keeping my PC for the gaming I love it and use it for. I am thrilled to see Props just released a native Apple silicon version also.
It seems REs work in plugin mode but not VST, so the latency thing is not really an issue in plugin mode anyway, and main sequencer is not usable, it's all about the devices.
BTW I was comparing Reason's time stretch quality to elastique pro and it holds up even today,. Very very impressive.
You really can do EVERYTHING in Reason now, you have integrated pitch, audio quantize, great stretch, AND, vst2 & 3 plugins. It's become serious one stop shop DAW for many and I can see why.