Missing Features Part #2098

[CharlyCharlzz]

so what Features are Missing ?!?!

delay , latency , SDK ?ü?ü

I wonder what we all need and what is missing to have a Version that no Users or Devs could complain about ?

Reason is Great but .....but what ?!?!

[selig]

Allow me to question your initial premise that there is ANY product, device, application etc. that NO users or developers could complain about. Show me that product and you'll have your list of features…
Beyond that, this topic has been done so many times before - not wanting to discourage you or suggest this is not a valid thread, just trying to set the stage for what is likely to follow…

[avasopht]

ReBirth support

[avasopht]

Integrated recycle (as in the full version).

[avasopht]

Cooling fan for when the racks get hot.

[CharlyCharlzz]

Allow me to question your initial premise that there is ANY product, device, application etc. that NO users or developers could complain about. Show me that product and you'll have your list of features…
Beyond that, this topic has been done so many times before - not wanting to discourage you or suggest this is not a valid thread, just trying to set the stage for what is likely to follow…

it is tru that I have no perfect plug-ins or Daw in my collection , I did Request many times to many Companys to add there Plug-ins in RE format but it looks like it is impossible or too hard , complex or expensive in time spending for some Devs to make there plug-ins in this format .

What I think is that it is not worth for them in there minds to spend so much time doing plug-ins as a RE for various reasons compared to the VST market , VST companys that are the top ones on the Market are not going to spend time in a platform to make something less good then what they can do in VST format unless the Market is Big and this market will never be worth it if Users and Devs request dont come as expected .

so that could legit by itself the request for VST support LOL or some better SDK or whatever (yhea shame on me ) ...

others dont care about VST but want other troubles fixed .

I know it is done over and over again but still I got no clear vision of what will a R9 will bring new and would want to know because Reason is where my Money goes when i buy Refills or RE's not VST's .

if I add my Reason Full , the Upgrades and RE's all toguether I payed over 1200 bucks all toguether but it will become my 2nd tool insted of 1st one of these days if nothing is done .

so yhea I feel like being a bit nasty here but for good reasons , Props made a Daw that works like no other but they changed it to be more like the others and maybe they should carry on that way IMHO .

after all these points sayed I would not even know what do I need other then what we have already , it is kind of perfect but at the same time I have a happy feeling when I try a VST that sound and feel like no RE's do but I have no idear if it's SDK or talent for exemple .

[CharlyCharlzz]

Cooling fan for when the racks get hot.

+1 for Recycle and Rebirth

[gak]

I like the avasopht concept as well.

But I'm not "sure if" about this thread Charly, my BUD

Tonight I did find reason a tad tedious. I was thinking about my old adage. "you can probably do it no matter what but you might have to jump through some hoops"

Well, right now, FUCK the hoops

I hope the props are up to some mind-blowing stuff and I know that the general beta team can't talk about anything. But I'm a little restless (though I can still pump up the jams)

[manisnotabird]

You can quantize audio, but you can't apply groove.

[avasopht]

What I think is that it is not worth for them in there minds to spend so much time doing plug-ins as a RE for various reasons compared to the VST market , VST companys that are the top ones on the Market are not going to spend time in a platform to make something less good then what they can do in VST format unless the Market is Big and this market will never be worth it if Users and Devs request dont come as expected .

99% of the time it's just market size versus the minor effort required.

For example, every single program, game and DAW could have been created for Linux, but only Bitwig have done so, not because of capabilities or any real difficulty, but simply because the little extra effort involved is just not worth it because the market is so small.

It's why there are so many more free applications for windows.

So sure, Propellerhead could make the SDK have every possible capability and it would make no difference because the effort would not be made until the market size justifies the effort. I mean, why create a rack extension at a minor cost if all of your customers are happily buying your VSTs?

Yes some things aren't possible but in terms of creating quality synths etc, fully capable.

[CharlyCharlzz]

What I think is that it is not worth for them in there minds to spend so much time doing plug-ins as a RE for various reasons compared to the VST market , VST companys that are the top ones on the Market are not going to spend time in a platform to make something less good then what they can do in VST format unless the Market is Big and this market will never be worth it if Users and Devs request dont come as expected .

99% of the time it's just market size versus the minor effort required.

For example, every single program, game and DAW could have been created for Linux, but only Bitwig have done so, not because of capabilities or any real difficulty, but simply because the little extra effort involved is just not worth it because the market is so small.

It's why there are so many more free applications for windows.

So sure, Propellerhead could make the SDK have every possible capability and it would make no difference because the effort would not be made until the market size justifies the effort. I mean, why create a rack extension at a minor cost if all of your customers are happily buying your VSTs?

Yes some things aren't possible but in terms of creating quality synths etc, fully capable.

that may sound right but Reason can have a lot more users then we think , in club chill out's and in places where producers go there is no more reason talks but schools , synth shops and a lot of Peoples doing from guitar to modular synth's are using it .
The market for Reason is Huge , the only Reason and I say it again THE ONLY REASON Peoples don't buy Reason is that there is no super simple was to use there VST's they payed a fortune for and some just started with vst's and feel sentimental with them .
The day they add in the Menu (CREATE A VST TRACK) they will blow up the score , I bet it will even be covered like a mega buzz joke and will be mega promoted as company making vst's will be more interested by it .
I am even shure that they could even make it work adding CV and all that by placing it into a rack but I bet they would need to recod it all .
the trouble with Reason is that most Peoples us another DAW for they VST's .
Rewire Who use that ?!?! and did you try to make a stand alone vst work with that midi re thingy ?!?! I tryed but don't remember

[DJDark2010]

Maybe someone could code that ...
That would be a fine thing

For me it is not a must have. I am lucky with RE. But if there is anybody out there who could do
this, that would be fine.

[satyr32]

You can look at this that way: If we would not have capitalism but an economy that is determined by demand, we would have the perfect DAW. Imagine all audio companies would work together and would not hold features back because of more profit. The more socialism the better DAWs?

[avasopht]

You can look at this that way: If we would not have capitalism but an economy that is determined by demand, we would have the perfect DAW. Imagine all audio companies would work together and would not hold features back because of more profit. The more socialism the better DAWs?

Features aren't held back due to profit. If you've ever been on the other end of the screen, developing software, you'll know how far off the mark that is.

If that were all there was to it the opensource community would have the absolute best of everything!

[satyr32]

Ok, maybe I am wrong. But especially with Adobe products sometimes I have the feeling that they intentionally hold back features and then justify a new release with stuff you would expect to programm in a day, but yeah I might be wrong. By the way a lot of opensource is almost or is as good as proprietary software. Natron, Krita, Blender, ... I do not think Adobe will still be market leader 10 years in the future, the "free" tools will catch up.

[avasopht]

They're very rarely on par.

There are many fundamental features in Maya for which there is no 3-second immediate equivalent, or where they do exist aren't quite as smooth to use. Bevels are a fine example. I've not used Natron and Krita to compare to After Effects and Illustrator though, but what I've typically found is, "yes you can do X in OpenSourceY," albeit via workarounds. The surface features are easy, .. layers: yep, ruler: yep, brush: yep, .. smart layers that can load from images, vectors and projects: no, but if you spend 3 hours you can achieve the same.

And then you have git, Linux and some works that obliterate commercial efforts.

Do not underestimate the level of commitment required to create the amount of feature value found in Adobe products. It would take a new paradigm of open source project management, leadership and handover of responsibilities that we just don't have yet. It's difficult enough managing projects with full time paid staff let alone people doing it in the little spare time they have who may move on when they've become bored or don't agree with the direction.