Dry/Wet Knob RE ?
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Strictly speaking no, an FX device might not have a dry/wet, and thereβs no guarantee that you can access a dry/wet controller via CV.
That said, if you split a signal in 2, so that one goes out dry and the other to the fx processor then you can merge and cross fade them using a free RE called Morfin Crossfader. It also has a few curves onboard to make things easier
That said, if you split a signal in 2, so that one goes out dry and the other to the fx processor then you can merge and cross fade them using a free RE called Morfin Crossfader. It also has a few curves onboard to make things easier
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That's a good question. Makes me wonder how to setup a secondary instance of a note, for independent control and to 'push forward' the sound.
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Your best bet is a parallel mix bus, this should use any plugin's delay compensation information. Many FX will introduce a few samples of delay or some phase shifting / inversion. If you straight mix the pre-RE signal with an post-RE signal, you are likely to have some wacky phase cancellation / comb filtering going on.
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Like Panda says, potential delay comp issues. READ this section in the manual, it will tell you under what circumstances delay compensation is NOT done.rcbuse wrote: β05 Dec 2019Your best bet is a parallel mix bus, this should use any plugin's delay compensation information. Many FX will introduce a few samples of delay or some phase shifting / inversion. If you straight mix the pre-RE signal with an post-RE signal, you are likely to have some wacky phase cancellation / comb filtering going on.
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Your post gave me an idea, so thanks for that. Whether this inspires you to create something for yourself to use for your purposes, well let us know !
Using a Combinator:
1. Add a 14:2 mixer
2. Add A Spider Splitter and a DDL-1 Delay (hold down shift so the don't auto route)
3. Add your Instrument
Now, take the output of your synth and route to the input jack. Then take one audio out pair to channel 1 of the mixer. Then use the second splitter output, route that to the DDL-1, then take the DDL-1 output into channel 2 of the mixer.
Set the DDL-1's dry/wet to hard right (ie; fully wet)
Here is a songfile with a Combinator(and I have included an alligator on Return #2), where it's possible to control the wet signal to trigger wherever you want in the bar, either in steps or milliseconds, and I have programmed the controls as follows:
Rotary 1: Time (sync)
Rotary 2: Time (ms)
Rotary 3: Feedback
Rotary 4: Dry / Wet
Button 1: Sync (toggles between steps or milliseconds)
.
.
It's good, but it doesn't always work as a wet/dry because of the reasons mentioned by Selig above. With some FX you're going to get crazy phasing/comb filtering
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Years ago, before the introduction to Rack Extensions, Nucleus Soundlab was putting out a series of tutorial videos called Reason Wizardry. These were very well done. I forget which video it was, but one of them covered how to make an equal power crossfade inside the conbinator using audio splitting and the Line 6 mixer. I remember he mentioned making this as a way to create a dry/wet control for effects that did not have one.
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The problem with that approach is that it creates a -6dB crossfade (due to the -6 dB pan laws used by the older Reason mixers), which makes the audio "dip" in the middle position.EsotericSound wrote: β07 Dec 2019Years ago, before the introduction to Rack Extensions, Nucleus Soundlab was putting out a series of tutorial videos called Reason Wizardry. These were very well done. I forget which video it was, but one of them covered how to make an equal power crossfade inside the conbinator using audio splitting and the Line 6 mixer. I remember he mentioned making this as a way to create a dry/wet control for effects that did not have one.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7beuF ... hei2z3oEQA
The Groovy Melon RE is free and has many useful crossfade options.
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Huh. I never paid attention to that before. Learn something new everyday. Thanks for that bit of info.
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Thanks for the reminder on delay compensation edge-cases. I always forgot about thisBoombastix wrote: β06 Dec 2019Like Panda says, potential delay comp issues. READ this section in the manual, it will tell you under what circumstances delay compensation is NOT done.rcbuse wrote: β05 Dec 2019
Your best bet is a parallel mix bus, this should use any plugin's delay compensation information. Many FX will introduce a few samples of delay or some phase shifting / inversion. If you straight mix the pre-RE signal with an post-RE signal, you are likely to have some wacky phase cancellation / comb filtering going on.
oooo thanks for this I will check this right nowEpiGenetik wrote: β05 Dec 2019Strictly speaking no, an FX device might not have a dry/wet, and thereβs no guarantee that you can access a dry/wet controller via CV.
That said, if you split a signal in 2, so that one goes out dry and the other to the fx processor then you can merge and cross fade them using a free RE called Morfin Crossfader. It also has a few curves onboard to make things easier
OK I see what you're saying. Thx for the inforcbuse wrote: β05 Dec 2019Your best bet is a parallel mix bus, this should use any plugin's delay compensation information. Many FX will introduce a few samples of delay or some phase shifting / inversion. If you straight mix the pre-RE signal with an post-RE signal, you are likely to have some wacky phase cancellation / comb filtering going on.
I'm glad it did and you're welcome Thank you very much for the step-by-step guide as well as the zip file I will follow your guideProboscis wrote: β06 Dec 2019Your post gave me an idea, so thanks for that. Whether this inspires you to create something for yourself to use for your purposes, well let us know !
Using a Combinator:
1. Add a 14:2 mixer
2. Add A Spider Splitter and a DDL-1 Delay (hold down shift so the don't auto route)
3. Add your Instrument
Now, take the output of your synth and route to the input jack. Then take one audio out pair to channel 1 of the mixer. Then use the second splitter output, route that to the DDL-1, then take the DDL-1 output into channel 2 of the mixer.
Set the DDL-1's dry/wet to hard right (ie; fully wet)
Here is a songfile with a Combinator(and I have included an alligator on Return #2), where it's possible to control the wet signal to trigger wherever you want in the bar, either in steps or milliseconds, and I have programmed the controls as follows:
Rotary 1: Time (sync)
Rotary 2: Time (ms)
Rotary 3: Feedback
Rotary 4: Dry / Wet
Button 1: Sync (toggles between steps or milliseconds)
.
dry_wet.zip
.
Thank you for the Youtube link I will check his videos then! They seem pretty advancedEsotericSound wrote: β07 Dec 2019Years ago, before the introduction to Rack Extensions, Nucleus Soundlab was putting out a series of tutorial videos called Reason Wizardry. These were very well done. I forget which video it was, but one of them covered how to make an equal power crossfade inside the conbinator using audio splitting and the Line 6 mixer. I remember he mentioned making this as a way to create a dry/wet control for effects that did not have one.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7beuF ... hei2z3oEQA
Out of interest, are you new to Reason ? I saw a thread where you mentioned you had just bought R11. If this is your first time - it's well worth getting your head around the mighty Combinator. By using it (and having a 14:2 mixer within) you can layer instruments, independently control the gain, panning and basic EQ for each, and add AUX FX to build your own super-synth that is completely unique. Or... you can even use a Combinator to create your own epic FX units, where you can build anything that your imagination allows. Combinator patches can also be saved for future use
Adding to this - The 'Filter Research' series of ReFills are some of the more incredible Combinator FX out there. They are not cheap, but if Jeremy has a free demo pack showcasing some of these, it's of great value to deconstruct what's going on as a reference point to build some DIY FXEsotericSound wrote: β07 Dec 2019Years ago, before the introduction to Rack Extensions, Nucleus Soundlab was putting out a series of tutorial videos called Reason Wizardry.
For other great general tips, especially for those just starting out, the '52 Reasons' youtube video series is gold.
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This^^^rcbuse wrote: β05 Dec 2019Your best bet is a parallel mix bus, this should use any plugin's delay compensation information. Many FX will introduce a few samples of delay or some phase shifting / inversion. If you straight mix the pre-RE signal with an post-RE signal, you are likely to have some wacky phase cancellation / comb filtering going on.
Kinda thing I tend to engineer as I'm going along if I'm honest, rather than thinking of it beforehand
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I...did not know about that...OK this has opened endless possibilities in my mind right nowProboscis wrote: β08 Dec 2019If this is your first time - it's well worth getting your head around the mighty Combinator. By using it (and having a 14:2 mixer within) you can layer instruments, independently control the gain, panning and basic EQ for each, and add AUX FX to build your own super-synth that is completely unique. Or... you can even use a Combinator to create your own epic FX units, where you can build anything that your imagination allows. Combinator patches can also be saved for future use
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Couldn't you just add the effect as a send and then the send amount on the mixer channel will act as a dry / wet?
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Its separated dry and wet control. Something i would prefer.Creativemind wrote: β11 Dec 2019Couldn't you just add the effect as a send and then the send amount on the mixer channel will act as a dry / wet?
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