Yes, there are plenty of round robins!JiggeryPokery wrote:Beautiful designs again, bud.
One question on the Acoustic: are the samples round-robin as well as velocity-based, otherwise they'll sound rather static. RDK claps, for example, has loads of alts, so plenty of variety, although, annoyingly, only one velocity, so they're all the same tone.
Cool, good to know! (IIWY, I'd an RR reference to the shop page, cos RR's are important info to percussion sample usersbuddard wrote:Yes, there are plenty of round robins!JiggeryPokery wrote:Beautiful designs again, bud.
One question on the Acoustic: are the samples round-robin as well as velocity-based, otherwise they'll sound rather static. RDK claps, for example, has loads of alts, so plenty of variety, although, annoyingly, only one velocity, so they're all the same tone.
We made 120 samples in total (each recorded with two sets of mics for separate control over the room level), distributed over 5 velocity layers. So there are 24 unique samples for each velocity layer.
We implemented a dynamic allocation algorithm, so if you have Clappers set to 1 it will use all 24 round robins, 2 clappers will use 12 round robins each, and so on. So the "worst case" is 3 round-robins per clapper and velocity layer, but then you have 8 clappers playing at the same time so you won't notice any repeats. The round robin selection is random, but assures that the same sample isn't played back twice in a row.
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I'm inclined to agree with this. I love that it's built for convenience and ease and 9 times out of 10 I'd probably use it that way (with a built in pattern), but on that tenth time It'd be nice to be able to have more control. One of the videos said something about midi control though so maybe there's an option to turn off any of the built in patterns and just draw midi data into the sequencer. Not quite the same as a redrum style pattern sequencer, but would solve the problem of control.joeyluck wrote:I really like the idea of this! I would just like to see a bit more control/features though. For instance:
- A user editable pattern via a simple, small 16 button sequencer with resolution knob. Or maybe more patterns available via a drop down? This one not as important as maybe at that point it's time to turn off synchro start hit the sequencer or Matrix.
Yes, works as expected when controlled via MIDI. One thing I'd like to see is an option to spread individual samples across the keyboard.JNeffLind wrote:I'm inclined to agree with this. I love that it's built for convenience and ease and 9 times out of 10 I'd probably use it that way (with a built in pattern), but on that tenth time It'd be nice to be able to have more control. One of the videos said something about midi control though so maybe there's an option to turn off any of the built in patterns and just draw midi data into the sequencer. Not quite the same as a redrum style pattern sequencer, but would solve the problem of control.joeyluck wrote:I really like the idea of this! I would just like to see a bit more control/features though. For instance:
- A user editable pattern via a simple, small 16 button sequencer with resolution knob. Or maybe more patterns available via a drop down? This one not as important as maybe at that point it's time to turn off synchro start hit the sequencer or Matrix.
Yeah, sorry if we've been a bit unclear about Auto Rhythm in our marketing!JNeffLind wrote:I'm inclined to agree with this. I love that it's built for convenience and ease and 9 times out of 10 I'd probably use it that way (with a built in pattern), but on that tenth time It'd be nice to be able to have more control. One of the videos said something about midi control though so maybe there's an option to turn off any of the built in patterns and just draw midi data into the sequencer. Not quite the same as a redrum style pattern sequencer, but would solve the problem of control.joeyluck wrote:I really like the idea of this! I would just like to see a bit more control/features though. For instance:
- A user editable pattern via a simple, small 16 button sequencer with resolution knob. Or maybe more patterns available via a drop down? This one not as important as maybe at that point it's time to turn off synchro start hit the sequencer or Matrix.
Those are all interesting feature suggestions, and we've even explored some of them, for instance making the sequencer more advanced. In that particular case we decided that simpler is better since there are so many great sequencing options available in other devices, like Euclid, Propulsion, Redrum, etc, that will always be superior anyway. Because once you start adding programmable steps people will start requesting shuffle, slide, ratchet, velocities, ... For a while we even considered making it even simpler with just a single pattern (beats 2 and 4), but in the end we settled for four patterns (slightly different between the devices) with fill-in variations.joeyluck wrote:I really like the idea of this! I would just like to see a bit more control/features though. For instance:
- More control over which claps are played. I understand there are 120 samples round robin, but it would be great if there could be control over which claps are played. Whether that means selecting a range and/or a variance setting. Or maybe a setting so that when playing MIDI, samples are either velocity sensitive, or individual samples per key.
- More gate outputs. Perhaps an output per clapper? So that when triggering other sounds/external claps it will be better represented by the number of clappers/spread/sloppy...
- A user editable pattern via a simple, small 16 button sequencer with resolution knob. Or maybe more patterns available via a drop down? This one not as important as maybe at that point it's time to turn off synchro start hit the sequencer or Matrix.
Just some ideas. Great work on the GUI and concept! Would just like to see a little bit more to make this a more versatile solution. As it stands now, if something doesn't quite work, I'm back to square one of creating or using my own in a sampler, instead of being able to tweak these more. Definitely on my wish list regardless
Great tip, thanks!JiggeryPokery wrote:(IIWY, I'd an RR reference to the shop page, cos RR's are important info to percussion sample users
Excellent points. The first one I came to that conclusion as I was typing it that it would probably be best to just stick with another sequencer. I guess my idea would also involve saving...or simply hiding more rhythms in there via banks or a drop down. Just going off the idea that the clap RE is the only thing you need to grab to quickly select a rhythm. But glad you included the ones you didbuddard wrote:Those are all interesting feature suggestions, and we've even explored some of them, for instance making the sequencer more advanced. In that particular case we decided that simpler is better since there are so many great sequencing options available in other devices, like Euclid, Propulsion, Redrum, etc, that will always be superior anyway. Because once you start adding programmable steps people will start requesting shuffle, slide, ratchet, velocities, ... For a while we even considered making it even simpler with just a single pattern (beats 2 and 4), but in the end we settled for four patterns (slightly different between the devices) with fill-in variations.joeyluck wrote:I really like the idea of this! I would just like to see a bit more control/features though. For instance:
- More control over which claps are played. I understand there are 120 samples round robin, but it would be great if there could be control over which claps are played. Whether that means selecting a range and/or a variance setting. Or maybe a setting so that when playing MIDI, samples are either velocity sensitive, or individual samples per key.
- More gate outputs. Perhaps an output per clapper? So that when triggering other sounds/external claps it will be better represented by the number of clappers/spread/sloppy...
- A user editable pattern via a simple, small 16 button sequencer with resolution knob. Or maybe more patterns available via a drop down? This one not as important as maybe at that point it's time to turn off synchro start hit the sequencer or Matrix.
Just some ideas. Great work on the GUI and concept! Would just like to see a little bit more to make this a more versatile solution. As it stands now, if something doesn't quite work, I'm back to square one of creating or using my own in a sampler, instead of being able to tweak these more. Definitely on my wish list regardless
There isn't that much room for more gate outputs, and we'd like to keep the device slim. Where would you like to connect the 8 different gates, to different Kong/Redrum channels? Maybe we should make a separate Slop RE with different settings for the random distribution function.
For the separate sample selection, one possibility would be to reserve a key range somewhere way off center, say from C6 - B7 (that should be 24 keys, right?), and trigger the 24 round robins separately there? That would give you precise control over all 120 samples by using pitch and velocity. When playing this range we would probably have to ignore the Clappers, Slop and Spread settings (or at least we would need to think carefully about how they should be handled), but we would of course use the Room setting to determine the balance between the mics. This feels like a bit of an edge case, though -- I'm not sure how many would actually find a use for it? But definitely an interesting idea!
A resolution knob might be helpful just alongside the rhythms that are there to offer more variation. 
You mean something like the "Feel" knob on the A-List REs, that simply "slides" Auto Rhythm backwards/forwards in time?TritoneAddiction wrote:I'm trying out the AC-1 right now. Pretty cool stuff.
A suggestion would be to add a "ahead" knob also. Sometimes you want the claps to be slightly ahead of the beat.
I mean it could be done manually, but that would take away the quick workflow this device seems to be all about.
I haven't tried any A-List REs but based on your description, yes a "slide" knob would be great for these clapper devices. Actually being able to put the claps ahead and after the beat would be even better than just my "ahead" knob idea.buddard wrote:You mean something like the "Feel" knob on the A-List REs, that simply "slides" Auto Rhythm backwards/forwards in time?TritoneAddiction wrote:I'm trying out the AC-1 right now. Pretty cool stuff.
A suggestion would be to add a "ahead" knob also. Sometimes you want the claps to be slightly ahead of the beat.
I mean it could be done manually, but that would take away the quick workflow this device seems to be all about.
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