What can ABL do, that Substractor cant?

[Aasmund1986]

Hi, Im looking into to buy the ABL3. But I can easly generate the same saws and squares with substractor that the ones that comes with ABL.
So my question is, what can ABL3 do, that Substractor cant? I know ABL has the sequenser. Is it just the 303 emulation feeling that makes ABL
special or is it the real thing that is emulated from a real 303 Computer Bassline?


Hope someone can elobrate a little on my questions

[Loque]

The only thing that is realy interesting on a 303 emulation is the filter and its envelopes and the accent addition. This is pretty hard to control with Subtractor, especially if you want to modulate the filter.

[Aasmund1986]

Hmm, so ABL got more control over the filters? Do you think the asking price is nice for its possibillities?

[Emian]

it's ATM actually the best 303 emulation out here, meaning it's the closest thing soundwise to a real TB-303.

check this link ( http://www.acidvoice.com/tb_303_vst_plugin_software.htm ) they compare all 303 soft-emulations; ABL3 scores best.

Now to make that squelcy acid sound you'd better use a good Distortion with ABL3 ; i'm having lot's of fun lately using it with Devastor 2 .

Hope this helps !

[Aasmund1986]

Ive been there It was a time when I really was into the acid genre so I was looking for a real 303 emulator. The price isnt so bad and the quality is really on-point. Think I will try it.

[Loque]

I whish i could use the filter from that device for other synths. Till now its "only" a 303, that is not enough for that price imo.

[selig]

Hi, Im looking into to buy the ABL3. But I can easly generate the same saws and squares with substractor that the ones that comes with ABL.
So my question is, what can ABL3 do, that Substractor cant? I know ABL has the sequenser. Is it just the 303 emulation feeling that makes ABL
special or is it the real thing that is emulated from a real 303 Computer Bassline?


Hope someone can elobrate a little on my questions

IIRC, the square in particular is quite unique, so you probably can't easily generate it with Subtractor - possibly the saw too, and then there's the filter…

[joeyluck]

I whish i could use the filter from that device for other synths. Till now its "only" a 303, that is not enough for that price imo.

Well it's the best 303 emulation out there!

The VST is something like $118. The RE is $69.

And it's more than only a 303. It's a step sequencer. I use the step record function and the random/alter features to create sequences that I use to control other synths in conjunction with the ABL3 and on their own. I'll do that as well as send CV from ABL3's accent output to various things. It's quite fun

[GRIFTY]

What about the "acid" filter?? Couldn't you buy that for less and slap it on subtractor?

[joeyluck]

What about the "acid" filter?? Couldn't you buy that for less and slap it on subtractor?

That does not emulate well at all a 303 filter. It was more 'inspired by'

[GRIFTY]

hmmmmm

[4filegate]

Unfortunately, not all functions write e.g. pattern copy in seq. window automation
ABL3 RE TB-303 emulation is basically a "moog" style cascade filter with 18dB/oct filter http://www.sequencer.de/syns/roland/TB303.html
on the other side we`ve a full support 24bit/96kHz audio project presettings

[Chizmata]

damn why is rebirth not even a download anymore?

[joeyluck]

To be clear, there are numerous ways to get fun sounding bass lines. For example, there are 'acid-like sounds' you can get from an SH-101 bass line running through distortion. Similar in sound, but certainly not the same. There is a very specific sound to the TB-303. As Selig mentioned; the oscillator and the filter. The Acid filter in the shop is quite different in character in many ways to the TB-303/ABL3 filter; the cutoff, the resonance, the overall behavior. Not trying to dismiss anything. By all means try things out and if you get a sound that you like, that's what is important. But just know that the ABL3 is the spot-on emulation if you want the 303 sound.

[Loque]

What about the "acid" filter?? Couldn't you buy that for less and slap it on subtractor?

Sounds weak imo. Nothing to do with a 303 sound or filter.

If you are looking for great control of the filter and the envelope, check out the Polymodular System. The only system i got nearly the sound of a 303 and similar filter behavious.

[selig]

Unfortunately, not all functions write e.g. pattern copy in seq. window automation
ABL3 RE TB-303 emulation is basically a "moog" style cascade filter with 18dB/oct filter http://www.sequencer.de/syns/roland/TB303.html
on the other side we`ve a full support 24bit/96kHz audio project presettings

Seems to be conflicting data on whether the filter is 24 dB/Oct or 18/dB/Oct - I have no opinion on this, just stating that different sources say different things…

File under "Things that may you say hmmmm".

[Jagwah]

I don't know about the specifics but I know that provided I get a decent pattern happening my ABL2 gives me instant awesomeness. Go to it very often.

By the way Blamsoft's Zero has a patch name 'Acid Love AZ' which has a very powerful and somewhat unique acid sound which is open to a ton of modulation, very cool.

[Dave909]

I whish i could use the filter from that device for other synths. Till now its "only" a 303, that is not enough for that price imo.

Well, thats all its trying to be.

[Dave909]

Unfortunately, not all functions write e.g. pattern copy in seq. window automation
ABL3 RE TB-303 emulation is basically a "moog" style cascade filter with 18dB/oct filter http://www.sequencer.de/syns/roland/TB303.html
on the other side we`ve a full support 24bit/96kHz audio project presettings

Seems to be conflicting data on whether the filter is 24 dB/Oct or 18/dB/Oct - I have no opinion on this, just stating that different sources say different things…

File under "Things that may you say hmmmm".

I have always been under the impression that a TB303 used an 18 db filter. Thats what got me surprised about Primal audio's choice to make the acid filter 24db. 24db has always been more the moogish kinda way

[4filegate]

Unfortunately, not all functions write e.g. pattern copy in seq. window automation
ABL3 RE TB-303 emulation is basically a "moog" style cascade filter with 18dB/oct filter http://www.sequencer.de/syns/roland/TB303.html
on the other side we`ve a full support 24bit/96kHz audio project presettings

Seems to be conflicting data on whether the filter is 24 dB/Oct or 18/dB/Oct - I have no opinion on this, just stating that different sources say different things…

File under "Things that may you say hmmmm".

I have always been under the impression that a TB303 used an 18 db filter. Thats what got me surprised about Primal audio's choice to make the acid filter 24db. 24db has always been more the moogish kinda way

causality - bottleneck

cause: it should have to be a 24dB low-pass "filter-quality" was only enough for 18dB

The NeverEnding Story for clone diodes circuit simulators

RE ABL3 emulation TB-303fingerprint "sounds better than ever" - VST ABL3 can handle copy pattern to the track and is not limited by SDK

[Gorgon]

damn why is rebirth not even a download anymore?

Wow. Propellerhead just keeps giving.

[Loque]

damn why is rebirth not even a download anymore?

Wow. Propellerhead just keeps giving.

Yea, they now sell it again for iOS afaik. Always whished they add it directly to the rack. The only reason why they didnt could be rights by Roland imo.

But tbh the input machine was like using VST - just anoying. And error prone.

[Aasmund1986]

It sounds like an great rack extension but like someone said, at that price its not enought with just some filterknobs and a stepsequenser. I like to hear
changes on a sound Im tweaking and not just the filterchanges. Yes, its the best 303 emulator out there and it works, but I think my money goes somewhere else. Thanks for all your replys

[Dave909]

Unfortunately, not all functions write e.g. pattern copy in seq. window automation
ABL3 RE TB-303 emulation is basically a "moog" style cascade filter with 18dB/oct filter http://www.sequencer.de/syns/roland/TB303.html
on the other side we`ve a full support 24bit/96kHz audio project presettings

Seems to be conflicting data on whether the filter is 24 dB/Oct or 18/dB/Oct - I have no opinion on this, just stating that different sources say different things…

File under "Things that may you say hmmmm".

I have always been under the impression that a TB303 used an 18 db filter. Thats what got me surprised about Primal audio's choice to make the acid filter 24db. 24db has always been more the moogish kinda way

causality - bottleneck

cause: it should have to be a 24dB low-pass "filter-quality" was only enough for 18dB

The NeverEnding Story for clone diodes circuit simulators

RE ABL3 emulation TB-303fingerprint "sounds better than ever" - VST ABL3 can handle copy pattern to the track and is not limited by SDK

So you mean that the filters are always 24db but just a certain range is used?

[dustmoses]

If the 303 sound is something you can use get ABL3 it's really the only option.

If you don't want/need the 303 sound look elsewhere.