Any news?

[joeyluck]

Several Softube devices don't incorporate ANY CV. So would those fall under IDT?
Several synths don't incorporate audio-in. So would those fall under IDT?

If you would rather search by categories of 'numerous CV connections' and 'synth with audio-input,' then yes—making categories for those makes more sense than categories to isolate devices made with the IDT. There is plenty of information provided via descriptions (which is searchable). And you can look at images in the shop to see connectivity; such as seeing that the FET has absolutely no CV inputs or outputs:

my issue is that there's no deeper sorting options beyond the "synth" option, so Softube's or other FX units aren't really relevant to that point.

and as far as going into descriptions and pictures, that is exactly what sorting options are supposed to avoid. I think if a customer knows they want a powerhouse synth with a wide range of features, there should be an option to sort for that specific thing (i.e. Antidote, Predator, Zero etc), without the smaller and simpler instruments getting in the way.

do you agree with that point? beyond that, whether it's "IDT/non-IDT" or sorting by features is just semantics to me. IDT's objectively have less features due to their limitations, no? maybe i'm wrong. i just feel like there's a very clear line between the two types of instruments so there has to be some way to draw that line, and IDT is the strongest differentiating factor to me

Yeah, I did agree that more categories could be helpful. The search function works ok.

But I think you are missing the point that something made without the IDT can carry the same or less features than something made with the IDT.
I think trying to segregate things based on how they were made would actually be more misleading than just noting the features.

Again, I refer to my point about whether a GUI is made with 2D or 3D assets... 2D can look 3D and 3D can look 2D (flat) and it makes no difference once it's in the rack how it was made. What you are asking is similar to asking for things to be sorted based on whether they are made with 2D or 3D assets...which is misleading and confuses things about a topic in which some users are already confused going in.

It's best IMO to categorize things based on the end product and it's features; not how it was made.

[Nirude]

spotted!
https://twitter.com/synthetechsound

[PGR]

And little more information
http://www.synthetechsound.com.au/index.php/products/

[Breach The Sky]

Intriguing. We have Parsec, Oberon and Zero as far as advanced additive synthesizers go (imo), I wonder what this brings to the table?
Re-synthesis sounds awesome, wonder how that will work? Does it perform re-synthesis on incoming external audio on the fly or can you actually load samples now (probably not)?

[spacefarmer]

Something "alchemylike" I hope...?!

[tibah]

Spectra can perform a Fast Fourier re-synthesis of external (and internal) sounds. This lets you develop new, complex waveform spectrums very quickly.

So I guess it can re-synthesize itself and has an audio input.

Nice artwork as well, so I guess the UI will be great.

[avasopht]

Nice!!

[Breach The Sky]

Hmm, I wonder if you can save the re-synthesized wave in a patch? If not, it will be more like an effect processor akin to Parsecs audio input.

[synthetechsound]

Hmm, I wonder if you can save the re-synthesized wave in a patch? If not, it will be more like an effect processor akin to Parsecs audio input.

Yes. You can save the spectrum of the analysed wave within a preset.

[decibel]

Hmm, I wonder if you can save the re-synthesized wave in a patch? If not, it will be more like an effect processor akin to Parsecs audio input.

Yes. You can save the spectrum of the analysed wave within a preset.

ive noticed that nobody is posting any images here yet ? how about some "gui porn" (teaser images) to wet the appetites synthtechsound

[synthetechsound]

Hmm, I wonder if you can save the re-synthesized wave in a patch? If not, it will be more like an effect processor akin to Parsecs audio input.

Yes. You can save the spectrum of the analysed wave within a preset.

ive noticed that nobody is posting any images here yet ? how about some "gui porn" (teaser images) to wet the appetites synthtechsound

Soon

[Breach The Sky]

Hmm, I wonder if you can save the re-synthesized wave in a patch? If not, it will be more like an effect processor akin to Parsecs audio input.

Yes. You can save the spectrum of the analysed wave within a preset.

Well Synthetechsound;

[miscend]

Some audio demos or teasers would be nice too.

[lowpryo]

wow, that sounds wild! a few more questions if you can answer: is the "analyzed" waveform going to be static, or can it be modulated like a wavetable? also how is the quality? will it sound just like a recorded sample, or does the "re-synthesized" FFT sound like something new entirely?

[Yonatan]

Uhe Satin! Yes!

http://reasonistas.wix.com/reasonistas# ... aked/oq9s6

I don´t think there´s any real stagnation to new RE devices, more that it takes time to develop things worth buying.
I can live without a lot of CV-devices and so on. I think, as mentioned, that there is now plenty of compressors and
EQ:s and synths and reverbs, that devs have to try to bring something to the table that is not already there.
There is indeed room for a lot options and VST world is flooded with things to choose from, and all have
different taste and need depending on what kind of music they produce etc.

The pace of the shop also certainly has to do with the co-operation with PH to get the RE accepted and put out on the site.
There is a natural delay in time. So I dont worry about not having enough to choose from.

If we had only to wait for PH to make RE:s, that would be a bit of a pain I must admit.
But I dont even have time to try out all the new RE:s that is coming our way.
We certainly do not have a shortage of synths in the shop! Plenty to play with,
and always we hear of some new synth around the corner to come.

But, yes, there is a difference of synths on how they work. So keep ém coming!
But I prefer well thought out devices which have their own nische and personality.

There is always periods of a bit of a silence and then suddenly a burst of RE:s coming all in same period.
The planning of sales might also be a part of why we dont see a RE being released. Much to take into account.
I imagine it might be bad releasing a new RE just in the middle of a big sale. Should you bring it in before,
or wait until the storm has landed? Timing is not totally inrelevant even in the prop shop.
And, some might have plans ready but wait for an update to the developer tools.
So at the moment, I am optimistic.

That said, there are important changes and dilemmas to be balanced and dealt with.
Several developers express different points that is needed to take into consideration.
As long as PH listens and making continous effort and progress, all will be well.

[Reasonistas]

Someone at the Rack Extensionists Facebook Group temporarily posted an image of an upcoming device from a well known group of sound designers. I can't share more than this due to NDA, but trust me you will be impressed when they release their first Rack Extension. Coming soon.

[Faastwalker]

Hmm, I wonder if you can save the re-synthesized wave in a patch? If not, it will be more like an effect processor akin to Parsecs audio input.

Yes. You can save the spectrum of the analysed wave within a preset.

Very interesting. Looking forward to seeing & hearing more.

[tibah]

Someone at the Rack Extensionists Facebook Group temporarily posted an image of an upcoming device from a well known group of sound designers. I can't share more than this due to NDA, but trust me you will be impressed when they release their first Rack Extension. Coming soon.

That's like a closed FB group? Found something that didn't had any news since 2013. Oh the teasers!

EDIT: Found it.

[Yonatan]

Something strange in the RE shop is that some active developers seem to almost have quit to make RE:s.
For instance Softube that was very active early on. As well as some other companies.
So, Uhe might come back if looking on Reasonistas?
Korg only made two devices at beginning. Izotope made one limiter.
Dont they see Reason as a potential pro DAW? Has PH made it in that direction?

Where have all the flowers gone?

Nowadays its mainly smaller developers that make the ball rolling. That is a great thing, but maybe that we would expect from a DAW that have limited numbers of standalone users?

[Nirude]

Yonatan has a good point there.
Rack Extensions started out big - now it seems that it is PH and small devs only.

[Kenni]

Rack Extension developing is slow. PH has to do something to encourage developer to keep working.

slow isn't a problem. only we ne need hi end Rack Extensions. not kindergarten toys. among the all of synths Re, Antidote is the only Pro Type Synth that we have. same happen fx Re.

I understand your point but, and I more worry about functionality than RE. After I try so many plugins (AU and RE), I end learning that you just need a decent EQ, Compressor, Reverb and Echo to do a good mix.

About synth, there are some good synth,but PH Really need to add synth like Massive, Sylenth and NI.

Completely disagree - It will make the product from Reason sound like everything else.

Also, I haven't really caught on to the concept of a "pro-style synth" - What is that exactly? I thought writing music was about creativity, in reality you should be able to use every single sound thrown at you to create something. If you want to write music within a particular style, or with a particular sound, I get what people here are saying. However, there's plenty of options for that.

In general, people need to remember that development takes time - A lot of time. All of the amazing RE's that we actually do have now (not only synths) took a while to develop and bug fix. Do we actually need 50 new RE's per month? For the quality developers, I'd rather they take their time, while I spend as much of my own time as I can perfecting my usage of the RE's already delivered.

In my opinion, and in my experience, an endless amount of options limits creativity, hard. If you're not forced to think outside the box, you end up with run-of-the-mill music anyway, and there's a plethora of options to create that kind of music besides Reason.

[boobytrap]

I haven't really caught on to the concept of a "pro-style synth" - What is that exactly? I thought writing music was about creativity,

Making Music is all about creativity. I didn't mean to rude about other Synth Re. but in VST world there is so many choices, like massive, zebra, nexus2, sylenth1, serum, Diva, Lots and Lots. there are thousands of free vst synths also. unfortunately we can't taste any of these with reason. some synth Re looks like free vst, but in PH shop we need to buy. example, C1-L1 comp is my very favorite Re witch I bought for 55 USD. its really worth for 55. but it is a FREE vst.(MOLOT Vst). imagine what if someone make Synth1,FMMF,Brzoza or like(Free VST) in Re format. it'll be cost up to 99 usd in shop. on my reckoning we have antidote, kHs One as pro type synths. and mmm we need more like that. not 30 Re per month, but 1 for 3 months....

[Kenni]

Here's a theory:

Maybe the developers are neglecting full time development for reason because there's just not enough sales to cover for that development time spent.

I can think of 3 main reasons for that.

1. The reason SDK is to restrictive
2. The quality of the RE's just aren't good enough
3. A lot of what RE's do are already covered by reasons native devices, therefore reducing the need

My guess is option 3 mainly, but it's likely a combination of them all. I say this without being a RE developer myself, mind you.

[kloeckno]

Well, maybe Devs don't make REs as often because too many people like to just pirate VSTs and use them with their pirated DAW, with Reason rewired? I seem to recall a lot of people talking about the iLok being cracked a few months ago in the "Hardware and Other Software" section. I was unaware of that news because I only use Reason, but quite a few people here were quite intrigued! Hmmmmm... Why is that?

[avasopht]

Patches are probably much more important than the actual synths unless the synth has such a distinctive sound that the synth itself is sort of like a patch.