New Reason Video "I cloned the SP-1200"

[crimsonwarlock]

These are the kinds of "extras" that could add alot of value to a R+ subscription, instead of (or in addition of) the usual weekly patch packs.

The problem with that is that it would make it R+ subscription only (as that is the marketing model). R+ users can download them the same way as we perpetuals do.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Absolutely brilliant Combinator Ryan and great gui. Good video. However, I could still hear a difference, especially on the bass loop sample. The 1200 sounded better. On the bass it seemed to have a bit more low end kind of, dunno, more bassy I suppose but could just hear it. This was through not really pro at all earbuds too, will check with my KRK cans tomorrow.

Anybody else still hear a difference?

Yes there is a difference on the bass sample.

[PhillipOrdonez]

One thing I noticed, and am not sure what's causing it, Ryan, your voice seems to have a sort of distortion at times? Is this intentional?

[jam-s]

Hmm, as the emulation is pretty spot-on it would be a good time to put the SP-12 up for sale and regain some more space in the closet for other gear to gather some dust until they become legends.

[selig]

In order to match the frequency response accurately, I normally use a "sweep" sample instead of noise and make a graph.

Advantage to that approach is you also get phase and distortion specs (as well as transient response/waterfall response if that's important) in addition to the basic frequency response curve, plus you get very accurate values for each level/frequency. And finally, it allows you to test the processing and compare it side by side with the original to further match things VERY quickly/precisely!

[orthodox]

Advantage to that approach is you also get phase and distortion specs (as well as transient response/waterfall response if that's important) in addition to the basic frequency response curve, plus you get very accurate values for each level/frequency. And finally, it allows you to test the processing and compare it side by side with the original to further match things VERY quickly/precisely!

If I correctly understand what transient/waterfall response means, I got other samples for that (changing DC levels, I used it when measuring compressor attack/release times). Never tried to measure distortion.

[selig]

Advantage to that approach is you also get phase and distortion specs (as well as transient response/waterfall response if that's important) in addition to the basic frequency response curve, plus you get very accurate values for each level/frequency. And finally, it allows you to test the processing and compare it side by side with the original to further match things VERY quickly/precisely!

If I correctly understand what transient/waterfall response means, I got other samples for that (changing DC levels, I used it when measuring compressor attack/release times). Never tried to measure distortion.

I'm talking about software that uses swept sine techniques like REW (free) or FuzzMeasure (Mac only, now owed by Rode and my 'go to' for years now).
If you don't have the free REW, it (or something similar like FuzzMeasure) should be in every tech geeks tool kit IMO!
There is a ton it can do in terms of measurement, from frequency response to phase to distortion to latency and so much more - and all from one sine sweep!
https://www.roomeqwizard.com
https://www.rodetest.com

[arnigretar]

Haha, just watched again. That white noise joke good one

[orthodox]

If you don't have the free REW, it (or something similar like FuzzMeasure) should be in every tech geeks tool kit IMO!

Thanks, I'll look into it. I used so far only self-made scripts in Wolfram Mathematica for analysis.

[jakecento]

Anyone else try the download link on reasonstudios.com from the sp-12 emulation blog post and get the drum echo patches from the previous week instead of the sp-12 emulation patches?

EDIT:
I submitted a support ticket on reasonstudios.com hoping they address this!
And it looks like the download link in the youtube video description works correctly

[flexluthor]

Haha, just watched again. That white noise joke good one

the culture war stuff is off putting, especially to men that don't consume soy.

[Creativemind]

So I listened back to the a/b'd sounds in this video using my KRK 20/20 headphones. Still think the SP12 sounds a little but better but hard to put my finger on what it is.

In the original drum sample, you can definitely hear how the snare is punchier and maybe slightly crispier on the SP12 and the whole loop just sounded louder too. Would like to have seen what the dB levels were representing between the original 2 using Selig Gain or something to see if the volumes were the same.

The 2nd drum sample sounded crisper again especially on the snare.

The bass sounded better through the SP12 too (more low end colour or something, darker maybe) and obviously the hiss wasn't added to the Combi version in the video.

Very close though I suppose but to sum up, I'd still prefer to use the original SP12 and now wish I had one lol!

[Creativemind]

Hmm, as the emulation is pretty spot-on it would be a good time to put the SP-12 up for sale and regain some more space in the closet for other gear to gather some dust until they become legends.

Pretty spot on isn't as good though. Probably out of my budget but where are you and how much would you want for your SP12?

[arnigretar]

Using the RE-12 for some ambient techno jamming tonight. Loving it!

[bxbrkrz]

Now I want a real new one... In my dream.

https://shop.rossum-electro.com/products/sp-1200

[jam-s]

Pretty spot on isn't as good though. Probably out of my budget but where are you and how much would you want for your SP12?

I'm working all in the box with only MIDI controllers. so no chance of getting a SP-12 from me. I was merely suggesting this to Ryan with a little tongue-in-cheek attitude.

[Creativemind]

Pretty spot on isn't as good though. Probably out of my budget but where are you and how much would you want for your SP12?

I'm working all in the box with only MIDI controllers. so no chance of getting a SP-12 from me. I was merely suggesting this to Ryan with a little tongue-in-cheek attitude.

"an" SP12.

[manisnotabird]

Absolutely brilliant Combinator Ryan and great gui. Good video. However, I could still hear a difference, especially on the bass loop sample. The 1200 sounded better. On the bass it seemed to have a bit more low end kind of, dunno, more bassy I suppose but could just hear it. This was through not really pro at all earbuds too, will check with my KRK cans tomorrow.

Anybody else still hear a difference?

I thought the "thwack" of the snare sounded a little different on the drum loops.

[QVprod]

I know we can get extra scientific with this, but I watched this video on an iPad; comparable to what most music consumers would listen to music on. Couldn’t hear a difference. So in the context of a song you probably won’t know the difference.

Now yes, I know an iPad is not as accurate as a studio monitor but I think the minor differences is nit picking. If you have to listen closely to hear the difference then it’s probably close enough.

[Jagwah]

Great subject, we touched on this in the forum a while back, seems like you needed the hardware, and then Ryan nails it with a Combinator!

Always refreshing and interesting when a new video of Ryans pops up, regardless of what is happening in the Reason community or the world for that matter

[arnigretar]

If you have to listen closely to hear the difference then it’s probably close enough.

Message! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc01ztrRqyg

[adfielding]

Ryan always manages to strike that sweet balance between being informative and entertaining in his vids. Really enjoyed this one, I'd love to see more like it - curious as to whether it's inspired anyone to try something similar, as well!

[Wook]

Haha, just watched again. That white noise joke good one

the culture war stuff is off putting, especially to men that don't consume soy.