Does Reason need to join the party and get its own controller?
Specialized controllers are on the rise.
Korg Akai (who manufactured the original Ableton Push) and Native Instruments now have their own dedicated controllers. Roland has hot software/hardware integration to the point you can share Zen Core patches between hardware and software and even load them on the new 606.
Rack Extensions can immediately be compiled to run on new hardware (which RS have already demoed).
Is a Reason specific controller inevitable, or a must?
Korg Akai (who manufactured the original Ableton Push) and Native Instruments now have their own dedicated controllers. Roland has hot software/hardware integration to the point you can share Zen Core patches between hardware and software and even load them on the new 606.
Rack Extensions can immediately be compiled to run on new hardware (which RS have already demoed).
Is a Reason specific controller inevitable, or a must?
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With, or without more private equity injection?
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All they have to do is employ someone to make high quality maps for third party controllers. That's much cheaper and less risky than designing and manufacturing your own hardware.
Also make them easier to share. A repository of maps with an easy installation system. That way you could try several different mapping options and users could create and share their own. DJ Techtools used to have a repository for DJ controllers but it looks like it is down now.
Also make them easier to share. A repository of maps with an easy installation system. That way you could try several different mapping options and users could create and share their own. DJ Techtools used to have a repository for DJ controllers but it looks like it is down now.
I would vote NO on this. There are plenty of good controllers on the market already. And... let's not forget.... what happened with Balance.
I'd much rather see them devote their efforts to developing the actual DAW (looking at you sequencer and audio editor).
eh hem.... Balance
And we see how that ended.
Too bad, because that was a great product.
I'd much rather see them devote their efforts to developing the actual DAW (looking at you sequencer and audio editor).
eh hem.... Balance
And we see how that ended.
Too bad, because that was a great product.
challism wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021I would vote NO on this. There are plenty of good controllers on the market already. And... let's not forget.... what happened with Balance.
I'd much rather see them devote their efforts to developing the actual DAW (looking at you sequencer and audio editor).
eh hem.... Balance
And we see how that ended.
Too bad, because that was a great product.
It might be nice to see a balance V2 that offers massive dsp offloading like aud offers for use with there plugin
But it would have to be really good
Actually scrap that, stick with DAW improvements only and stay away from hardware.
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Balance was bad ass. Too bad it got discontinued. But I understand why. It really shouldn't be the direction of the company to be making hardware. Although, I'm sure it was just licensed by Props and manufactured elsewhere... I'm mean, I'm 99% certain of that.
NI (or Arturia or Behringer) should just buy Reason Studios and make Reason a proper, modern DAW and tightly integrate it with their line of hardware products.
please god, no...every piece of hardware they've created has been abandoned (including the Ignition Key). another hardware device is the last thing we need from them.
IMO there is definitely an opportunity to improve hardware control/integration.
Ableton push has the best DAW integration that I have have experienced. This is not only in relation to how parameters are mapped, but even more useful for my purposes is the variety and integration of keyboard modes that are available, e.g. Isomorphic (selectable scales), step sequencer, velocities mode, fixed length recording etc, as well as the layout/access to other functions like the mixer, pans, sends, browsing etc.
With the introduction of per note probabilities in Live 11 the push will essentially allow for comprehensive per step/note programming (this has been possible for automation only to this point) - similar to elektron equipment and some of the arturia gear.
So definitely scope for development in my view, not only in the DAW but also the RRP.
In my view the level of deep integration achieved by push would require Reason Studios to play a major role.
Just a query on the accuracy of the first post - it is my understanding Push 1 was developed in collaboration with Akai, not Korg?
Ableton push has the best DAW integration that I have have experienced. This is not only in relation to how parameters are mapped, but even more useful for my purposes is the variety and integration of keyboard modes that are available, e.g. Isomorphic (selectable scales), step sequencer, velocities mode, fixed length recording etc, as well as the layout/access to other functions like the mixer, pans, sends, browsing etc.
With the introduction of per note probabilities in Live 11 the push will essentially allow for comprehensive per step/note programming (this has been possible for automation only to this point) - similar to elektron equipment and some of the arturia gear.
So definitely scope for development in my view, not only in the DAW but also the RRP.
In my view the level of deep integration achieved by push would require Reason Studios to play a major role.
Just a query on the accuracy of the first post - it is my understanding Push 1 was developed in collaboration with Akai, not Korg?
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Yes, correct. Akai not Korg.Sterioevo wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021IMO there is definitely an opportunity to improve hardware control/integration.
Ableton push has the best DAW integration that I have have experienced. This is not only in relation to how parameters are mapped, but even more useful for my purposes is the variety and integration of keyboard modes that are available, e.g. Isomorphic (selectable scales), step sequencer, velocities mode, fixed length recording etc, as well as the layout/access to other functions like the mixer, pans, sends, browsing etc.
With the introduction of per note probabilities in Live 11 the push will essentially allow for comprehensive per step/note programming (this has been possible for automation only to this point) - similar to elektron equipment and some of the arturia gear.
So definitely scope for development in my view, not only in the DAW but also the RRP.
In my view the level of deep integration achieved by push would require Reason Studios to play a major role.
Just a query on the accuracy of the first post - it is my understanding Push 1 was developed in collaboration with Akai, not Korg?
Ableton have the scale to build relationships with firms like Novation and Akai, and they have a big enough user base to provide Novation and Akai with the confidence that dedicated hardware will sell in reasonable volumes and meet internal return on investment criteria.
RS don’t seem to have the scale or the user base (if any user poll I’ve ever seen of top DAWs used is any guide) so they need to take a crafty and nimble approach and piggy back on others. That means taking the whole remote codec thing and shaking it all up. Wouldn’t be a huge investment to get some bright coders on board to write a bunch of new scripts for the new generation of controllers out there...
I agree with the points made @Muttreason
Providing updated remote maps (including more functional generic maps) would go a long way to bridging the gap. The current remote offering requires that this would need to be ongoing as new controllers and new devices come to the market - so it would need an ongoing investment.
Perhaps a more clever development would be to improve the Remote process to include some level of auto-updating of new devices.
There is also a bit of a void in relation to control/limitation of players and some of the new custom displays that are not capable of being midi controlled (takes me back to some of the shortcomings of kong), requiring interaction with a mouse. This last detail has led me to look into solutions such as bomes and nob as a workaround. I have often wondered if it would be within the realms of possibility to develop a solution that allows you to grab some of the controls that are not in the remote script (starting with for e.g. The NNXT, but also things like Europas envelope shape, and the record button on players) and then modulate them.
In relation to partnerships I think there would be lots of opportunities to engage in partnerships to explore innovative solutions. If you look at Sweden alone there are some amazing companies with experience in hardware like elektron and teenage engineering. There are also products already in the Reason shop from companies with plenty of experience in the hardware world. And there is companies like Nektar and some of the IOS developers. There are heaps Kickstarter projects out there exploring interesting solutions to midi control.
Providing updated remote maps (including more functional generic maps) would go a long way to bridging the gap. The current remote offering requires that this would need to be ongoing as new controllers and new devices come to the market - so it would need an ongoing investment.
Perhaps a more clever development would be to improve the Remote process to include some level of auto-updating of new devices.
There is also a bit of a void in relation to control/limitation of players and some of the new custom displays that are not capable of being midi controlled (takes me back to some of the shortcomings of kong), requiring interaction with a mouse. This last detail has led me to look into solutions such as bomes and nob as a workaround. I have often wondered if it would be within the realms of possibility to develop a solution that allows you to grab some of the controls that are not in the remote script (starting with for e.g. The NNXT, but also things like Europas envelope shape, and the record button on players) and then modulate them.
In relation to partnerships I think there would be lots of opportunities to engage in partnerships to explore innovative solutions. If you look at Sweden alone there are some amazing companies with experience in hardware like elektron and teenage engineering. There are also products already in the Reason shop from companies with plenty of experience in the hardware world. And there is companies like Nektar and some of the IOS developers. There are heaps Kickstarter projects out there exploring interesting solutions to midi control.
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I did.
I'm just correcting a factual mistake.
Or is that not allowed anymore, since truth and facts became subjective and personal now?
Oh, and no - Reason doesn't need a dedicated controller, it's not inevitable and it's not a must. Happy now?
I suppose the point is, the factual mistake had already been corrected, before your comment.
+1dioxide wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021All they have to do is employ someone to make high quality maps for third party controllers. That's much cheaper and less risky than designing and manufacturing your own hardware.
Also make them easier to share. A repository of maps with an easy installation system. That way you could try several different mapping options and users could create and share their own. DJ Techtools used to have a repository for DJ controllers but it looks like it is down now.
Well, ok. That's a good point, then. I did go through the thread before posting but - indeed - failed to Ctrl+F for "Akai".
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