[request granted] Reason Rack as a VST
Just throwing this out there....
What if Propellerhead were to take the rack ecosystem along with its devices and made that in and of itself a VST? -essentially selling a version of Reason (minus the reason DAW) for use on any DAW? The VST would itself be a the flippable Rack even supporting 3rd party Rack Extensions because it would be the guts of Reason in VST form...
mind blown?
What if Propellerhead were to take the rack ecosystem along with its devices and made that in and of itself a VST? -essentially selling a version of Reason (minus the reason DAW) for use on any DAW? The VST would itself be a the flippable Rack even supporting 3rd party Rack Extensions because it would be the guts of Reason in VST form...
mind blown?
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I'd be really into that. I'd be equally (or even more) into them improving the sequencer page and its related tools, because Reason is a mostly great all-in-one solution.
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This is what I've always wanted Reason to be.
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I would pay hard cold cash for reason RE's, Refills and native reason devices to be used like Native Instruments Komplete in other DAWS.
In all fairness to the Props this should require you to own the full version of Reason and then charge an additional cost for this functionality.
Before people go they should provide this functionality for a small fee all of these features cost engineering work, development, testing & maintenance. Ultimately the DAW market is not like MS office where a good portion of the world are all using the same productivity sweet. in the DAW ecosystem all of these applications are fighting for users and money I would happily pay a fair price for killer tools and features. You buy what you can afford at the end of the day. I want the new Studio one 4 update but have to wait until I have the extra money to get it.
I like a good deal as much as anyone but to use Reason like Native instruments Komplete in other DAWs should cost a pretty penny like $99 to $200 dollars. Which is cheaper than Komplete Ultimate or Omnisphere with Trillian, Keyscapes & RMX. Pricing would be $399 for reason then another $99 for Reason as VST functionality.
Scratch all this and just update the Sequencer adding new workflow improvements then call it a day.
In all fairness to the Props this should require you to own the full version of Reason and then charge an additional cost for this functionality.
Before people go they should provide this functionality for a small fee all of these features cost engineering work, development, testing & maintenance. Ultimately the DAW market is not like MS office where a good portion of the world are all using the same productivity sweet. in the DAW ecosystem all of these applications are fighting for users and money I would happily pay a fair price for killer tools and features. You buy what you can afford at the end of the day. I want the new Studio one 4 update but have to wait until I have the extra money to get it.
I like a good deal as much as anyone but to use Reason like Native instruments Komplete in other DAWs should cost a pretty penny like $99 to $200 dollars. Which is cheaper than Komplete Ultimate or Omnisphere with Trillian, Keyscapes & RMX. Pricing would be $399 for reason then another $99 for Reason as VST functionality.
Scratch all this and just update the Sequencer adding new workflow improvements then call it a day.
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Funny, I was just about to post a topic about this!
I have a very strong (perhaps optimistic) suspicion that we are going to see this at some point soon.
Looking at the Europa VST, a lot of work has very clearly gone into the port to make it feel "Reason"-y. The fact that you can switch to the back panel (though it of course doesn't currently do anything), load external samples, zoom/scale the interface (which you can't even do in Reason yet)... I'm not sure they would go to the effort of doing that just for one device, or even just a couple.
At the risk of adding to an argument that is already taking place in many other threads here: whether you like it or not (plenty of people do and more power to them!), the sequencer/workflow of Reason is very idiosyncratic and lacks a lot of features that are "standard" for modern DAWs. Where it really excels is the power and flexibility of the rack system.
Hot take/prediction - Grain VST sometime this year, some kind of Reason VST Rack alongside Reason 11 next year. Discuss!
I have a very strong (perhaps optimistic) suspicion that we are going to see this at some point soon.
Looking at the Europa VST, a lot of work has very clearly gone into the port to make it feel "Reason"-y. The fact that you can switch to the back panel (though it of course doesn't currently do anything), load external samples, zoom/scale the interface (which you can't even do in Reason yet)... I'm not sure they would go to the effort of doing that just for one device, or even just a couple.
At the risk of adding to an argument that is already taking place in many other threads here: whether you like it or not (plenty of people do and more power to them!), the sequencer/workflow of Reason is very idiosyncratic and lacks a lot of features that are "standard" for modern DAWs. Where it really excels is the power and flexibility of the rack system.
Hot take/prediction - Grain VST sometime this year, some kind of Reason VST Rack alongside Reason 11 next year. Discuss!
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It would be an odd business maneuver. We’ve got SOME plugins that also can act like a DAW already. Maschine, MPC desktop, etc....but if any VST plugin would just be BEGGING to be a full DAW, it would be Reason. I certainly don’t see Reason like Maschine, where it NEEDED to be a plugin because it was just too far away from being a DAW. Reason is actually very close to being a DAW with only workflow differences and not function limitations. I can see the flagship content becoming VSTs, but even that annoys me (which I’ve pontificated upon at length in the other thread!). While I can see PH doing as you sugesst, I don’t believe it to be the very best move. I think the best move is to make it a competitive DAW and go hard after users of Live and Logic.dandandaaan wrote: ↑12 Jul 2018Funny, I was just about to post a topic about this!
I have a very strong (perhaps optimistic) suspicion that we are going to see this at some point soon.
Looking at the Europa VST, a lot of work has very clearly gone into the port to make it feel "Reason"-y. The fact that you can switch to the back panel (though it of course doesn't currently do anything), load external samples, zoom/scale the interface (which you can't even do in Reason yet)... I'm not sure they would go to the effort of doing that just for one device, or even just a couple.
At the risk of adding to an argument that is already taking place in many other threads here: whether you like it or not (plenty of people do and more power to them!), the sequencer/workflow of Reason is very idiosyncratic and lacks a lot of features that are "standard" for modern DAWs. Where it really excels is the power and flexibility of the rack system.
Hot take/prediction - Grain VST sometime this year, some kind of Reason VST Rack alongside Reason 11 next year. Discuss!
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Grain VST I can see! Rack as a VST...well this was something I used to fantasise about before Reason *got* VST. Now I'm not too bothered. I know there are things missing from the sequencer but honestly I can't even put a price on global undo and clip based automation (with easy to set default/static values) in terms of the time it's saved me, and conversely the time it's wasted in DAWs that don't have it. I'd much rather Reason's sequencer got the love it needs/deserves!dandandaaan wrote: ↑12 Jul 2018Funny, I was just about to post a topic about this!
I have a very strong (perhaps optimistic) suspicion that we are going to see this at some point soon.
Looking at the Europa VST, a lot of work has very clearly gone into the port to make it feel "Reason"-y. The fact that you can switch to the back panel (though it of course doesn't currently do anything), load external samples, zoom/scale the interface (which you can't even do in Reason yet)... I'm not sure they would go to the effort of doing that just for one device, or even just a couple.
At the risk of adding to an argument that is already taking place in many other threads here: whether you like it or not (plenty of people do and more power to them!), the sequencer/workflow of Reason is very idiosyncratic and lacks a lot of features that are "standard" for modern DAWs. Where it really excels is the power and flexibility of the rack system.
Hot take/prediction - Grain VST sometime this year, some kind of Reason VST Rack alongside Reason 11 next year. Discuss!
So, I know this has been brought up before, but I figured I'd start a thread here.
I think it would be beyond brilliant if the Reason Rack was made available in the VST format, along the lines of Softube Modular and the upcoming update to VCV rack. This would completely blow my mind. The ability to create awesome effects chains/instruments/etc and use them with multiple instances on multiple tracks with all the CV awesomeness of Reason.... Individual instances for better and clearer organization, savable presets, etc...
I'm rambling a bit here, I know! I would buy all the REs forever and ever if this came into existence.
Anyone else been daydreaming about something like this?
I think it would be beyond brilliant if the Reason Rack was made available in the VST format, along the lines of Softube Modular and the upcoming update to VCV rack. This would completely blow my mind. The ability to create awesome effects chains/instruments/etc and use them with multiple instances on multiple tracks with all the CV awesomeness of Reason.... Individual instances for better and clearer organization, savable presets, etc...
I'm rambling a bit here, I know! I would buy all the REs forever and ever if this came into existence.
Anyone else been daydreaming about something like this?
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Gah, that would be INCREDIBLE! I would shell out a lot of money for a combinator VST. Hoo man.
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How about the copy protection if Reason would become a VST? Anyway, in a business wise this could be a success.
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It would be amazing if they did come up with this!
As for copy protection, wouldn't it work with the authorizer and codemeter or something? Like many other vsts that won't run properly (audio gaps) if not authorised? (Demo mode)
Yeah, does anyone using software has no internet? Even though I like that I have a dongle, it feels good to not have to rely on the net.PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑11 Apr 2019It would be amazing if they did come up with this!
As for copy protection, wouldn't it work with the authorizer and codemeter or something? Like many other vsts that won't run properly (audio gaps) if not authorised? (Demo mode)
Just like iLok, the Codemeter DRM supports both a dongle, and computer authentication. So it wouldn't be any different than VSTs requiring some sort of iLok activation.Heigen5 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2019Yeah, does anyone using software has no internet? Even though I like that I have a dongle, it feels good to not have to rely on the net.PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑11 Apr 2019As for copy protection, wouldn't it work with the authorizer and codemeter or something? Like many other vsts that won't run properly (audio gaps) if not authorised? (Demo mode)
Or maybe it makes all Ableton, Cubase and Logic users buy a copy of Reason and it's an excellent business move?
Native Instruments have their own sort of DAW in Maschine, imagine if Komplete was only available for that instead of all DAWs. Do you think NI would make more money?
Also, ReWire exists. Propellerheads came up with it. They want you to be able to use Reason together with other DAWs. It's just very inconvenient to do it currently.
I would happily pay for a Combinator VST that allowed you to use all the Reason devices in another DAW. I would also be more likely to buy a few of the other Rack Extensions knowing I could use them in any DAW.
It would be as easy as making a VST version of Reason available for all those who also own A Reason. ilok thing would also be covered then.
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